GrahamB wrote:Be nice not to involve the aiki nonsense in a threads here for once.
The aikijutsu clip show technique with a most compliant and very well directed student. When there's this level of cooperation, one must feel the teacher first hand to really under how much principle is the driving factor to what you see.Interloper wrote: Someone with experience in an internal art can see the 6-directional energy, the sticking and suctioning/drawing, the opening and closing, the spirals.
However, if someone does not train the first (the body method), it is difficult - if not impossible - to see a connection and relationship between what two very different internal arts are doing.
And, by the way, Liu Chengde lived in Japan for ten years, and worked with Aikijujutsu students -- Yukiyoshi Sagawa's (Daito ryu Aikijujutsu) students,
Interloper wrote: The point is that the underlying body method is the same.
Ashura wrote:Techniques performed from a seated position are quite common in classical Ju-jutsu. There is an historical reason for it: During the Edo period, no one was allowed to stand in certain rooms of the castle. So people had to kneel all the time even when moving. This is called Shikko.
Since the Daimyo (lord) and other high ranking samurais were also present in those rooms, finding a way to adress potential threats became an issue. Techniques were then developped for and from that position.
Interloper wrote: I can do what Salahuddin Muhammad is doing -- at my own level, of course
Bao wrote:The aikijutsu clip show technique with a most compliant and very well directed student. When there's this level of cooperation, one must feel the teacher first hand to really under how much principle is the driving factor to what you see.Interloper wrote: Someone with experience in an internal art can see the 6-directional energy, the sticking and suctioning/drawing, the opening and closing, the spirals.However, if someone does not train the first (the body method), it is difficult - if not impossible - to see a connection and relationship between what two very different internal arts are doing.
Yes, if you have studied IMA the differences between the two clips should be very, very obvious. One is spontaneous, showing free flow, non-rehearsed applications. The other one is a technical demonstration of different techniques, one clip similar to hundreds of other vids.And, by the way, Liu Chengde lived in Japan for ten years, and worked with Aikijujutsu students -- Yukiyoshi Sagawa's (Daito ryu Aikijujutsu) students,
Thank you for the info. Didn't know that.Interloper wrote: The point is that the underlying body method is the same.
I respectfully disagree.
You have no possibility to use the whole body or weight shifting behind a qinna technique when you sit down. The leverage and body use become very, very different. There are some subtle movement, spiraling etc, sure. But still a very different body method.Ashura wrote:Techniques performed from a seated position are quite common in classical Ju-jutsu. There is an historical reason for it: During the Edo period, no one was allowed to stand in certain rooms of the castle. So people had to kneel all the time even when moving. This is called Shikko.
Since the Daimyo (lord) and other high ranking samurais were also present in those rooms, finding a way to adress potential threats became an issue. Techniques were then developped for and from that position.
Methods were developed to practice techniques from that position, yes. No intruder or attacker would respect the rules of a castle or temple. Already back then this was a highly artificial way of practicing technique with very little use. That people are concerned with these traditions today is IMHO quite... Ah, never mind.Interloper wrote: I can do what Salahuddin Muhammad is doing -- at my own level, of course
Of course you can do it. Again, what that vid show is a purely technical and completely cooperative demonstration. There's nothing advanced here and I am perfectly sure that there is nothing there you could not do as good or better.
Interloper wrote:And, Salahuddin Muhammad's partner is throwing committed punches (with intent). If you have ever trained hands-on with a person like this, you'll know that it only takes one or two punches to convince you to tone it down and save your limbs. He absorbs and rebounds every strike, and actually hitting someone like him will harm the hitter, but not the hittee. lol.
RobP3 wrote:Isn't it a shame that when someone puts a good clip up, the thread then becomes about someone else entirely? Why not start your own thread about that other person?
There should be more of this - don't talk, show us what you can do. Yes, we know that "hands on" is the only way to get the full story, but if you can't demonstrate yourself what you are talking about, maybe you should not be talking about it?
Bao wrote:Then there would be no discussion board. No EF, no RSF.
RobP3 wrote:Isn't it a shame that when someone puts a good clip up, the thread then becomes about someone else entirely? Why not start your own thread about that other person?
Also, Steve almost always puts up his own work - what he is doing - rather than trawl Youtube for some random clip of other people. There should be more of this - don't talk, show us what you can do. Yes, we know that "hands on" is the only way to get the full story, but if you can't demonstrate yourself what you are talking about, maybe you should not be talking about it?
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