For those of you following Adam Mizner or Huang Taiji

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For those of you following Adam Mizner or Huang Taiji

Postby xian89 on Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:09 am

My teacher (Torben Bremann) is in the process of getting his youtube videos translated to english, and I thought this one might be of interest to you:



According to Patrick Kelley, Wee Kee Jin and Yek Sing Ong (all personal students of Master Huang), it is THE fundamental exercise of the Huang system and the one the old man himself considered to be the quintessential exercise for understanding his system.
I've followed Adam's online course for a bit, but it didn't show up during the time I was a member. Maybe it comes later, but if not you can get the basics of it here :)

If you like the Dan Harden terminologi, I find this exercise to be working the misogi way of utilizing opposing forces while also fantastic for working on song qua and being mindfuld of tension in the lower back. At least initially - there are different levels, but this is the basic version.

Shugyo! I Hope the video is to your benefit.
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Re: For those of you following Adam Mizner or Huang Taiji

Postby wayne hansen on Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:44 pm

This is indeed the first of Huangs exercises and often is overlooked as is the next one stepping out
I will be interested to see how your teacher does the rest
The one thing I might mention is that it would look better if when he explains he doesn't look down and compromise his posture
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Re: For those of you following Adam Mizner or Huang Taiji

Postby GrahamB on Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:12 am

THE fundamental exercise


I'm constantly amazed by how many people are satisfied with so little.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.
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Re: For those of you following Adam Mizner or Huang Taiji

Postby Steve Rowe on Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:54 am

It is a basic exercise, but also covers important aspects that so many people lack. I like it.
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Re: For those of you following Adam Mizner or Huang Taiji

Postby wayne hansen on Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:32 pm

I am constantly amazed by people who that they can't see the depth of simplicity
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Re: For those of you following Adam Mizner or Huang Taiji

Postby Young Grasshopper on Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:25 am

I would much rather see a basic exercise done correctly than a complicated one done poorly. And if you go back to the source of the problem usually it's because they spent more time training other things rather than the basics. Foundation is key.
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Re: For those of you following Adam Mizner or Huang Taiji

Postby northern_mantis on Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:54 am

The problem is when foundations are delivered without any connection to a measurable end goal. Maybe there is some degree of concern that if the desired outcome was properly articulated then students would go off and find a more efficient way to acheive it on their own.
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Re: For those of you following Adam Mizner or Huang Taiji

Postby xian89 on Sun Apr 23, 2017 11:18 am

Subtitles have been added for the next video - again, there are many layers with spirals etc not covered. It is meant as a basic introduction to the exercise. If you want a deeper look into what goes on internally in exercises such as this, I can recommend Torben's online program: http://exploringtaiji.com/
It isn't really working yet - I believe it launches in late may.

Is this the exercise you mentioned Wayne?

GrahamB: That the exercise physically might seem simple, does not necessarily imply that what is going on internally is simple or easy, and the exercise without benefit. Standing is deceptively simple from the outside too, yet it is the cornorstone in, and gateway to, many internal systems and their principles such as six direction training, breathwork etc.

northern_mantis: I am no expert, but I find the exercises in the Huang tradition very good for the purpose of getting connected to the ground in a "heavy" way, and releasing excessive muscular tension, which have a way of blocking the internal connections in the body. This leads to (one kind) of connection and physical stability.
But getting "vertically connected" through exercises such as this makes it easier to begin getting "horisontally connected" via six direction training, is my experience.
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Re: For those of you following Adam Mizner or Huang Taiji

Postby yeniseri on Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:19 pm

GrahamB wrote:
THE fundamental exercise


I'm constantly amazed by how many people are satisfied with so little.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.


I know nothing about Huang Taiji but I have read about him but what I saw from the 'neigong' piece is in line with pre exercise (for lack of a better word) routine that one starts before actual taijiquan practice. They tend to mimic a format of yu bei shi (beginning stance(s) where one raises the hands in various quadrants (sides/front/daigonal raising) with lowering and raising with and without hands and at times raising within lowereing and lowering within raising. At best, it mimics 8 shi taijiquan as individual posture(s) practice!
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Re: For those of you following Adam Mizner or Huang Taiji

Postby wayne hansen on Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:27 pm

Even though I have learnt a lot of standing exercises over the years I don't teach them
I consider these exercises to be standing for my students
If you want to stand longer just do more reps
Is this his first exercise if so he is doing them in the original sequence
He doesn't go to cross hands in this clip why is that
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