wayne hansen wrote:How long mr Cartmell trained with sun face to face and what he learned of the system
Fa Xing wrote:wayne hansen wrote:How long mr Cartmell trained with sun face to face and what he learned of the system
Long enough to get the complete system.
wayne hansen wrote:Interesting and somewhat evasive answer
Bao wrote:To my knowledge Tim didn't learn and doesn't teach the 64 Palms form.
What is the whole system anyway?
Considering how Sun Lutang travelled all of the time I don't believe that Sun Jianyun possibly could have enough time with her father to learn everything that Sun Lutang knew or what he put into his own personal arts. In his later years, Sun Lutang thought that martial arts should only be taught for health and this attitude is what he taught his daughter as well.
Fa Xing wrote:To my knowledge, and what I have been able to find out by talking to different people, there is no 64 palm form. What information do you base that on that, Bao?
These Eight Trigram Forms are then followed by the 64 Hexagram Palms Form, which logically combines all of the previous material, while expanding the expression of the simple forms and footwork to a much greater degree of difficulty both athletically and energetically.
Fa Xing wrote:Honestly, IMHO, Sun style BGZ and TJQ are "simplified" in form so that one can concentrate on developing the techniques. Many baguazhang systems have an exorbinant amount of material that quite frankly is near impossible to learn in one's lifetime, and that's even more than the case in modern society where most of us cannot be or do not wish to be professional martial artists.
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