Taiji teacher KO'ed by MMA

A collection of links to internal martial arts videos. Serious martial arts videos ONLY. Joke videos go to Off the Topic.

Re: Taiji teacher KO'ed by MMA

Postby GrahamB on Thu May 11, 2017 8:41 am

What was going on with the Tai Chi "master"'s weird guard? Had he been taking lessons in the SPEAR(tm) system?

Image
"The killer in me is the killer in you"- The Smashing Pumpkins.
http://www.taichinotebook.wordpress.com http://Bjjnotebook.com
User avatar
GrahamB
Great Old One
 
Posts: 10868
Joined: Fri May 02, 2008 3:30 pm

Re: Taiji teacher KO'ed by MMA

Postby Tom on Thu May 11, 2017 9:05 am

Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterward.

---Vernon Law
Tom
Administrator
 
Posts: 4412
Joined: Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:33 am

Re: Taiji teacher KO'ed by MMA

Postby GrahamB on Thu May 11, 2017 9:14 am

This is quite possibly a watershed moment for CMA.
"The killer in me is the killer in you"- The Smashing Pumpkins.
http://www.taichinotebook.wordpress.com http://Bjjnotebook.com
User avatar
GrahamB
Great Old One
 
Posts: 10868
Joined: Fri May 02, 2008 3:30 pm

Re: Taiji teacher KO'ed by MMA

Postby marvin8 on Thu May 11, 2017 9:54 pm

RobP3 wrote:
marvin8 wrote:Part 1 of a discussion of various applications relating to this sequence in the Chen Pan Ling taijiquan long form. From the Academy of Traditional Fighting Arts (see http://www.tfaperth.com):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBIbLSJurBs



Stuff like this is part of the problem, IMHO

marvin8 wrote:I thought the following demonstration was good. It showed setting up, waiting for the opportunities, had some movement and a couple variations. A better way to practice the movement may be in light sparring, as in the previous video I posted.

Yes, I was not going to use the word good, however I was trying to keep my post short.

A more accurate statement would be I like this demonstration better than the usual demonstration where the opponent leaves his hand out frozen in the air, while the demonstrator catches and breaks the arm, without any discussion on timing, setups or variations.

Can you comment on what "problem(s)" you see in the demonstration?
Last edited by marvin8 on Thu May 11, 2017 9:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.
marvin8
Wuji
 
Posts: 613
Joined: Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:30 pm

Re: Taiji teacher KO'ed by MMA

Postby RobP3 on Fri May 12, 2017 2:06 am

marvin8 wrote:
Can you comment on what "problem(s)" you see in the demonstration?


A lot of things, but to sum it up very briefly, it's stilted
"Remember, if your life seems dull and boring - it is" Derek & Clive
www.systemauk.com
RobP3
Huajing
 
Posts: 368
Joined: Sat Jun 18, 2016 7:30 am
Location: UK

Re: Taiji teacher KO'ed by MMA

Postby cloudz on Fri May 12, 2017 3:19 am



It made it into the Daily Mail online, last week I think.
Can we say All publicity is Good publicity or is it too soon ? :D
Last edited by cloudz on Fri May 12, 2017 5:52 am, edited 4 times in total.
The old man calmly said: “Among the mighty are those who are mightier. In martial arts, no one presumes to praise his own ability. But because you are young, you don't know the scale of the world, and are unaware of how ridiculous you are. Why be upset?”
cloudz
Great Old One
 
Posts: 2358
Joined: Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:00 am
Location: London UK

Re: Taiji teacher KO'ed by MMA

Postby leifeng on Fri May 12, 2017 5:20 am

It is very odd but judging by the attention it has got I think it qualifies as the fight of the century. They are even trying to recreate the legendary battle:
leifeng
Huajing
 
Posts: 358
Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:17 am

Re: Taiji teacher KO'ed by MMA

Postby RobP3 on Fri May 12, 2017 6:04 am

leifeng wrote:It is very odd but judging by the attention it has got I think it qualifies as the fight of the century. They are even trying to recreate the legendary battle:

The fact that this completely run of the mill incident has become "legendary" says something
"Remember, if your life seems dull and boring - it is" Derek & Clive
www.systemauk.com
RobP3
Huajing
 
Posts: 368
Joined: Sat Jun 18, 2016 7:30 am
Location: UK

Re: Taiji teacher KO'ed by MMA

Postby GrahamB on Fri May 12, 2017 6:10 am

leifeng wrote:It is very odd but judging by the attention it has got I think it qualifies as the fight of the century. They are even trying to recreate the legendary battle:


What the hell did I just watch?
"The killer in me is the killer in you"- The Smashing Pumpkins.
http://www.taichinotebook.wordpress.com http://Bjjnotebook.com
User avatar
GrahamB
Great Old One
 
Posts: 10868
Joined: Fri May 02, 2008 3:30 pm

Re: Taiji teacher KO'ed by MMA

Postby marvin8 on Fri May 12, 2017 12:13 pm

windwalker wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjrKxXVBbmA


A little different idea than the clips shown.

At 8:18, "On the other hand in Cheng Hsin, we rarely do that, most of the time we lead or get out of the way."

Many combat sports "lead or get out of the way."

IMO, this concept is similar to what fighters do in MMA and boxing, attack by drawing. Many times, this is done without contact. One example is lean forward with your guard up (deception of distance, showing defense mode), opponent is enticed to throw a punch, you roll with the punch and finish. There are many ways to attack by drawing.

To kind of tie in to the thread, can tai chi strategies work in a real fight? IMO yes, some of the tai chi strategies are already being used in combat sports, at the higher levels. However, some people will say that's not Tai Chi concepts. It may not be Tai Chi, but it may be similar in concepts. So, why can't many tai chi players use these concepts in a real fight? IMO, it may be due to the way they train.
marvin8
Wuji
 
Posts: 613
Joined: Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:30 pm

Re: Taiji teacher KO'ed by MMA

Postby Wuming on Fri May 12, 2017 5:41 pm

Based on what I've seen on video of Ralston, and what I've heard from people I respect, he probably is better at taiji than 99% of these so called "masters."
Wuming
Anjing
 
Posts: 160
Joined: Sun Aug 17, 2008 9:47 pm

Re: Taiji teacher KO'ed by MMA

Postby Strange on Fri May 12, 2017 5:45 pm

yeah, ppl with small minds use very little, make it a lot and
call themselves/allow others to call them master this and that
but mostly they are just masterbators
when practitioners touch hands, they will know you have "it" or not have "it"
天官指星 单对月 风摆荷叶 影成双
i said slowly and evenly; i did not say weakly
User avatar
Strange
Great Old One
 
Posts: 4668
Joined: Tue May 13, 2008 1:33 am

Re: Taiji teacher KO'ed by MMA

Postby RMAGUY on Mon May 15, 2017 5:19 am

F me thats embarrassing
Unfortunately not that surprising

wayne hansen wrote:A mismatch in size and aggression
The tai chi guy was unprepared
He most likely thought it would be lite sparing
Give him another go who knows what might happen


No offence Wayne but he would get his head smashed in again-with the way he moves its just a given (to me)
RMAGUY
Santi
 
Posts: 8
Joined: Fri May 12, 2017 3:51 am

Re: Taiji teacher KO'ed by MMA

Postby wiesiek on Tue May 16, 2017 2:47 am

to sum it up, :
this is the way how it looks, when practicing the Forms only/mostly, and trying to poof that you`re able to fight.
No free sparing/competition experience = lack of ability to use any move trained thousands of years in the forms.
joyful usefullnes of the effords
User avatar
wiesiek
Wuji
 
Posts: 3466
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 12:38 am
Location: krakow

Re: Taiji teacher KO'ed by MMA

Postby Bill on Tue May 16, 2017 2:03 pm

A wise man once said.....

Using Tai-chi for combat is like using a Renoir for toilet paper.
It hurts when I Pi
User avatar
Bill
Great Old One
 
Posts: 4804
Joined: Tue May 13, 2008 7:00 am

PreviousNext

Return to Video Links

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest