the rum soaked fist: internal martial arts forum

Posted: **Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:52 pm**

Practice makes perfect. You only get better at what you actually train. I'm not sure why he even accepted that challenge; clearly they have trained some very, very different things, and the rules of engagement were clearly much closer to the "rules of training" of the MMA guy.

It's like a break dancer challenging all classical ballet people to do some sort of a street-style "dance off" thing, and a ballet dancer accepting it, probably thinking something along the lines of: "it's all in the 'dancing' category, isn't it? I've been classically trained and practiced very hard for many years, so I should be able to handle it; how hard can it be..."

Not even sure I would say "kudos for accepting it". It's like apples and oranges IMHO.
:-/

Posted: **Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:14 pm**

Everyone was kung fu fighting.

Except not everyone was fast as lightning or very frightening.

I've see worse beatings that took less time at the Lei Tai Championships, usually when a ringer gets paired up with a delusional amateur in the early rounds...oh wait, that's what just happened here.

Although, points to the tai ji guy manning up even if he got his bean pummeled.

Posted: **Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:24 pm**

beggin your pardon
but there is no "different" thing to train
martial arts training is for the fighting; even if methods differ
when comes to fight time always is one face the other
as it starts, we see clearly who have a better understanding
that is all

Posted: **Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:43 pm**

I didn't blame the mats or the ufc
I pointed out some possible reasons why he looked so inept
As Steve said plenty of mma matches go that quickly then the guy comes back and reverses the results

Posted: **Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:13 am**

This is all over the internet.

Posted: **Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:33 am**

This is a long documentary featuring the Tai Chi guy.

I wonder what you guys think of him?

Posted: **Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:19 am**

Kettlebells4U wrote:This is a long documentary featuring the Tai Chi guy.

I wonder what you guys think of him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EprNKGHPrxA

Nice clip

disclaimer " no pigeons were hurt in the making of this clip"
they did eat them afterwards

"small joke"

He seems to be able to express power in a unique way, but does not have
a delivery system built up to use it with.

much respect for the teacher and his work

Posted: **Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:52 am**

So much for "useless external strength", "just (kick)boxing", and other nonsense. Hopefully another wake-up call for CMA.

Posted: **Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:35 am**

Kettlebells4U wrote:This is a long documentary featuring the Tai Chi guy.

I wonder what you guys think of him?

Thanks for posting it. I read on various Chinese websites that the Taiji guy has been featured on the TV show "Experiencing Real Kungfu," but couldn't find the episode. Many Chinese netizens have commented on the irony that someone who was touted as a Taiji master on TV couldn't even last 10 seconds in a fight against a mediocre ex-MMA fighter.

I give him props for having the courage to publicly take on an MMA guy, but it is painfully obvious that he has little to no experience dealing with realistic attacks in a live environment. My guess is, like the vast majority of Taiji guys, he only focuses on forms and PH.

Posted: **Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:12 am**

Have you watched the start of that "experience real kung fu: Yang style Tai Chi" - it's so utterly fake it's incredible.

Hippydipshit sees Thai boxers doing some training, thinks I can handle that, puts on his headscarf (very important apparently) and proceeds to display some godawful attempt at IMA while looking like a complete dick. His kicks are especially painful to watch. And his deadly footwork. The Thai boxer throws a few useless attacks then falls over in agony when hippydipshit does a deadly double palm push to his chest.

Basically, the lesson is: everything (on TV) in China is fake. Everything.

Credibility is zero.

That's all I'm getting out of this.

Posted: **Sat Apr 29, 2017 1:59 pm**

wayne hansen wrote:Good to see it from another angle
The tai chi guy,I am giving him the benefit of the doubt by calling him that
He shows his lack of training and use by putting his guard up while the other guy is 30 ft away
No real fighter would do that
His guard is silly with both hands high and the forward one at full height
Saying that the mma guy doesn't land a blow until the tcc guy trips on the silly foam mats
They are a surface that takes some getting use to
I wonder if the tcc guy knew that ground and pound was part of the deal
It is tv ,was it a promotional tool used by the ufc to show its superior to traditional arts
Any drug testing involved
It is a giant commercial venture and we have seen this sort of thing in China before
Remember bearded Gwalio gets beaten by traditional master
And what Steve says ,plenty of guys out there with little training a love for pain and no fear
I worked on the wharves with the great Freddie Eiles
A little boxing training 300 fights on the street,no rules and never defeated
He beat eight Australian boxing champions one was a heavyweight and he was never over 11 stone
When I asked Freddie what his secret was,he said
You just aim up
It was all attitude

Doesn't the above clip show what I said here before seeing it
The guys tai chi is laughable
His tai chi is poor quality so how can he be called a tai chi master

Posted: **Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:54 pm**

in the "Experiencing" vid the host said "look like" many times
in a socio-psychological setting, i call it coordination by association.
that is person knows that ppl are looking and they project what others are looking for...
to gain credit and approval in the group
you will notice that it has nothing to do with real skill critique and development

it is the same for traditional ma ppl making their way into other forms of ma
such as bjj, mma etc, they have to start by speaking the language and renouncing
what they had learnt in the past.
it is nothing new, you see it all the time here also.

the real internal is very little, cos ppl are superficial

Posted: **Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:27 pm**

"C.J.W." My guess is, like the vast majority of Taiji guys, he only focuses on forms and PH."

Push Hands as it's currently practice has changed many aspects of the way taiji is used or could be used. By making the training for a skillset competitive the larger objective that the skill-set enables is lost. This is not something unique to taiji happens in other styles and systems.

You mention the MMA guy was mediocre is there any information on his training or record?

Posted: **Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:48 pm**

wayne hansen wrote:His tai chi is poor quality so how can he be called a tai chi master

He is called a Tai Chi Master by those who view him as such and come to learn and train from him. Obviously at some point he had to prove his skill set to those in his community and to those who seek it.

He lost, and will regroup, hopefully updating his understanding in the process.

Posted: **Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:13 pm**

As to the ref I think he made the right call because otherwise people would complain that he stopped it too soon.

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