C.J.W. wrote:Certain techniques taught in traditional arts, such as fingers to the eyes, kicks to the groin, and hammer fist to the back of the head, have often been ridiculed in recent years by practitioners of modern combatives -- like MMA -- as ineffective or useless in actual fights.
However, I find it ironically amusing that the very same techniques they look down upon are actually common fight stoppers that make strapping young lads bend over in ball-crushing agony when used illegally in competition.
windwalker wrote:
http://focusingemptiness.com/index.php/ ... WhiteCrane
This stance used both in the white crane and hop gar systems called the 45' horse.
Was supposed to protect one from groin kicks.
The idea was that the kick could never reach its intended target stopped by running into the muscles of the thighs ect.
It was tested by having one assume the stance and allowing others to kick you trying to hit ones groin...
As is in most cases it takes a couple of shots before one gets it right,,,only a couple ,,,like one
dspyrido wrote:C.J.W. wrote:Certain techniques taught in traditional arts, such as fingers to the eyes, kicks to the groin, and hammer fist to the back of the head, have often been ridiculed in recent years by practitioners of modern combatives -- like MMA -- as ineffective or useless in actual fights.
However, I find it ironically amusing that the very same techniques they look down upon are actually common fight stoppers that make strapping young lads bend over in ball-crushing agony when used illegally in competition.
Mma guys dont ridiculue these techniques. They ban them because they are dangerous to the point they are crippling.
They ridicule people who feel that they can use these techniques without any real conditioining of the application, practise with timing & training against live opponents. You know - people who like to wave thier hands in the air or kick a static pad and say "see I can kill you".
C.J.W. wrote:windwalker wrote:
http://focusingemptiness.com/index.php/ ... WhiteCrane
This stance used both in the white crane and hop gar systems called the 45' horse.
Was supposed to protect one from groin kicks.
The idea was that the kick could never reach its intended target stopped by running into the muscles of the thighs ect.
It was tested by having one assume the stance and allowing others to kick you trying to hit ones groin...
As is in most cases it takes a couple of shots before one gets it right,,,only a couple ,,,like one
Tibetan White Crane (a.k.a. Lama pai) is a very practical hard-hitting style that can get you into fighting shape pretty quickly. I have a lot of respect for it.
Those trademark long-range, arm-swinging, heavy strikes are certainly not to be trifled with!
Dmitri wrote:For those who forgot (or didn't know) -- it all used to be perfectly legal, not so long ago
C.J.W. wrote:But the impression I've gotten over the years -- since way back when Royce and BJJ still reigned supreme -- is that many sports fighters, especially those whose main art is grappling, do not believe that a simple move such as a finger jab or a groin kick would be enough to stop them dead in their tracks.
Their usual argument is either they will be able to take the hit and still take you down, or that those strikes are considered low-percentage moves that do not work well in a live environment because they require too much precision.
The same can be said for hammerfist to the back of the head and knee to the face; both are typical responses found in traditional arts against leg tackles, but often dismissed by BJJ guys and wrestlers as laughable. Yet in the clip I provided, there are instances where those moves are so successfully (and yes, illegally) applied against takedown attempts that the referees had to jump in to keep the players from being seriously injured.
C.J.W. wrote:Certain techniques taught in traditional arts, such as fingers to the eyes, kicks to the groin, and hammer fist to the back of the head, have often been ridiculed in recent years by practitioners of modern combatives -- like MMA -- as ineffective or useless in actual fights.
However, I find it ironically amusing that the very same techniques they look down upon are actually common fight stoppers that make strapping young lads bend over in ball-crushing agony when used illegally in competition.
Enjoy.
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