the rum soaked fist: internal martial arts forum

I'm not insenstive to cultural sensibilities to the degree I can't understand them. I live in a multi cultural city and my parents were foreign too, so foreign culture, adapting to different culture is not an alien concept for many people. Including myself I think.

You can understand something and even be sympathetic. It doesn't mean you should stay silent forever and put up with *whatever* no matter what. Sometimes there are opportunities for change and progress, if you constantly accept and make excuses you cut off and narrow any opportunity for change.

Bao wrote:[ The first one, I have no real opinion about.

Course not

You don't have to of course, it's training. You don't train like that? you don't like the training? you don't like the skills techniques and so on? None of that matters to me. You don't have to like every single action others make. The point is (the reason I put it here) people in TCMA do train like this and they can demonstrate it (martial training). So the very least any martial demo can do to not devolve into mere theatrics is have people realistically attacking and defending with strikes or some form (or other) of grappling involved. As tends to happen typically in "real life".

No real opinion about that of course.
But you can have an opinion on people prancing about peddling snake oil and selling bullshit under some pretence of "martial arts"- it's a cultural hobby for middle aged men, all's tickety boo.
Gotta love that.

let me try, :
in the 1st vid. skillz levels are close to even,
in the second one - difference is obvious, how much the teacher is good - have no idea without testing

wiesiek wrote:let me try, :
in the 1st vid. skillz levels are close to even,
in the second one - difference is obvious, how much the teacher is good - have no idea without testing

That's hardly the point though here is it. That is supposed to be his Sanda student, so sure he probably has no push hands compared to the teacher. Are teachers not supposed to train with students or beginners ?

From youtube:

A nice little clip of Tian Jinlong pushing hands with one of the sanda lads he coaches.

When A BJJ teacher/ black belt rolls with a white with experience in the months they make it look easy too, especially if they are bigger and stronger. No one bangs on about it being easy. It's supposed to be! Same if a Judo teacher grabbed someone who had a couple months training and tossed them around.

The point is to show that you can demonstrate TCMA. Depending on the relative skill levels will dictate how clean and skillfull it looks, or the intensity will influence that and so on.

cloudz wrote:No real opinion about that of course.
But you can have an opinion on people prancing about peddling snake oil and selling bullshit under some pretence of "martial arts"- it's a cultural hobby for middle aged men, all's tickety boo.
Gotta love that.

Lol!
... no comment...

As a fat bald middle aged man, I couldn't be more offended.. I want my hobby back !

Great demo (which is also how you would train them) of TCMA techniques here. No theatrics necessary.

..."The point is to show that you can demonstrate TCMA...."

You know, Cloudz, my opinion is, that you can demonstrate anything what you are really capable to do...
For good clear demo of the MA skilz you don`t need newbie or lo level practitioner as a tori,
you simply using your training partner and everything will go nice.

Be sure your skilz, dough, if you`re askin` somebody from the bystanders -
recently,
JMA master from Japan was demoing his deadly system in one famous shitty Warszawa`s district .
He asked two guys from the spectators crowd to attack him randomly,
to make it short:
he even hasn`t time to fart, - was really heavy beaten, landed in hospital.

Thanks, appreciate it. I agree.

I remember back in the early 80s when my first school started doing demos to drum up interest and for various Chinese groups at new year. Initially they were quite "martial" in nature, lots of form, push hands and application work, some of it choreographed to a degree, some of it more free form.

As things went on, however, demos started to look more like the OP. In short, they became more a venue to show off "special powers". I can't say that this was totally cultural, more a change of emphasis in the training and teaching, IMO. There was also a corresponding shift in marketing, I specifically remember the night we were told not to get the mats out to practice app work as it was "putting people off".

Personally these days I usually turn down demos. If people want to see what we do, come and train. Or at least in a demo I try and get the crowd involved in doing some exercises or something.You can't show "real fight" stuff, people either don't see what's going on or think you are a bully lol. People for the most part want to see some flashy entertainment

cloudz wrote:Great demo (which is also how you would train them) of TCMA techniques here. No theatrics necessary.

The shortcoming in this clip is the passive student
He never attacks or defends
The teacher circles and then takes his time to set up the Chinna and then applies it with force
Any person with no training can do theses throws with little instruction once the hold is setup

Well, is there a tcc video that everyone agreed on, ... . So, I don't criticize, and everything has its place. The only question would be whether or how one would use that on Jon Jones or Randy Couture. It's always possible to extract what may be useful. Training for application of for being in a position to apply a technique is a separate matter. Arm bars (or qinna) work, check out Billy Robinson videos. But, you can't expect a resisting opponent to offer you a compromised position.

Why is chi blasting even open for discussion? It's proven fake garbage!
https://youtu.be/dOOh2J1b3lQ

Fatal Rose wrote:Why is chi blasting even open for discussion? It's proven fake garbage!
https://youtu.be/dOOh2J1b3lQ

quite correct, The comment could be applied to all CMA,
oops I mean only to those CMA styles/stylist its safe to apply it too.

can you post 1 clip, just 1 clip of CMA being used
as its practiced in a ring showing clear stylistic usage, as boxer
would tend to look like boxing, someone playing BJJ would tend to move and look
like they were doing BJJ...ect.

windwalker wrote:

Fatal Rose wrote:Why is chi blasting even open for discussion? It's proven fake garbage!
https://youtu.be/dOOh2J1b3lQ

quite correct, The comment could be applied to all CMA,
oops I mean only to those CMA styles/stylist its safe to apply it too.

can you post 1 clip, just 1 clip of CMA being used
as its practiced in a ring showing clear stylistic usage, as boxer
would tend to look like boxing, someone playing BJJ would tend to move and look
like they were doing BJJ...ect.

https://youtu.be/IlU3b2hTXv4

Now this isn't perfect but at least it's something.

And what does this have to do with fake chi blasting nonsense?