Steve James wrote:I meant, simply. Train an asshole to fight, and he's still an asshole.
Kettlebells4U wrote:Hey guys,
just saw this video and (although I am not a fan of Tim Larkin) I think this video is covering very well the difference between self defense and sport fighting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_GongOn August 1, 2003, after a hit and run driver crashed into Gong's parked car in the Fairtex Gym parking lot in San Francisco, Gong pursued the car on foot. Gong caught up and confronted the driver, who was still in his car at a nearby intersection. Witnesses say the driver then shot Gong at point blank range and fled in his vehicle. Gong was pronounced dead at the scene.
GrahamB wrote:""Martial arts are not the same as ‘combat sports’, which are not the same as Reality Based Self-Defense systems, which are not the same as a violent encounters’”. ...There is more violence being experienced within a professional or amateur boxing match or gymnasium with rules , regulations and conventions. Than say practicing some good guy vs bad guy cross fit self-defence or spear training drill. . . ."
-Steve Morris - 2 minutes ago on Facebook.
marvin8 wrote:One reason to "practice" a "martial" art is to be able to defend against someone trying to harm you (e.g., punch you in the face). Either you can handle the incoming force (yield, adhere, follow, etc.) or you get punched in the face, whether that be in a MMA ring or outside and whether the fighter is "internal" or "external."
Steve Morris 3 hrs ago wrote:Combative sports such as muay Thai , boxing and mma are full of reflex (subcortical) harm avoidance movements of one kind or another. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj-bLfsQSFQ. And the simple reason for this is that harm avoidance movements as action patterns especially when it comes to the head have already been hard-wired in as part of the mechanics of natural selection.In other words, what boxers defensively do in the ring could be transferred to a violent encounter on the streets .And which would include sucker punches and ambushes. Indeed I'd argue that the more you are forced to deal with blows to the head and body as boxers do. The more effective and efficient these reflexive harm avoidance patterns will become.The brain is not going to distinguish between a punch thrown at your head in the ring or on the streets. Incoming is incoming irrespective of what it is or the location at the time .Sure there is no resemblance between the ring and the street but a punch is a punch irrespective of who throws it or where you were at the time.Not to mention that throwing shots at someone's head in the ring with bad intent is no different to throwing shots at someone's head on the streets. And again a boxer or muay thai or mma fighter is more likely to be able to do this more effectively than some cross fit self-defence wannabe warrior who has never had a fight in his or her life, either in a ring or outside of it .. ... .http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/…/j…/_42890521_floyd_defence416.jpg ...https://www.expertboxing.com/…/up…/boxing-defense-levels.jpg ...http://www.historiadelboxeo.com/articulos/andresp/2.jpg ..http://www.mightyfighter.com/…/pacquiao-straight-left-bradl… ..
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Steve James wrote:He's right. But if the two combat athletes were not assholes, there would not have been a fight. The situation had nothing to do with martial arts skill. Hopefully we can train people how not to be in that position.
Kettlebells4U wrote:Hey guys,
just saw this video and (although I am not a fan of Tim Larkin) I think this video is covering very well the difference between self defense and sport fighting.
Kettlebells4U wrote:Please let me state again, this thread is in no way meant to promote Tim Larkin!
The stuff Larkin teaches (technique wise) is nonsense.
I just think the above video is really good.
When it comes to good self protection teachers I would suggest Lee Morrison or Richard Dimitri, both are among the best in this field!
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