Application of xing yi dragon?

[Patrick]

What is the application of the dragon Han demonstrates? I know the principle of the dragon posture in yi quan, but this looks more like something with a specific application in mind, i.e. a stop kick to hip/knee and then a takedown?
Thanks in advance.

[GrahamB]

Yeah - it's an intercepting punch/kick combo followed by a takedown.

[Patrick]

Thanks Graham! But how would this takedown work? By dragging the opponent down with ones weight and locking/blocking his knee?

[Taste of Death]

There is a splitting effect from the dragon's coiling. The takedown can have a strike added to it. Split then strike.

[robert]

I think it's a question of what you can get. There is a block/intercept as you say. If it was just a punch and you can get the opponent's knee with your foot then break it. This looks like a cross arm block - if you miss the knee then your lead hand should have your opponent's wrist and the other hand should get his elbow so you can control his body. The lead hand is pulling the opponent foward and off balance and apply your weight to your other hand (the opponent's elbow) to drive your opponent's face into the ground.

[Fa Xing]

In the xingyi that I learned, it's oblique kick/stomp, cross-pi quan, and followed up by a beng quan. However, I enjoy playing with some of the movements from different people.

Here's an example that I've liked in the past via Mike Patterson:

[GrahamB]

Patrick,

Because you intercept their incoming strike the range is very close - you are normally then able to step behind their leg so as you drop your body it trips them as you drop your weight onto them.

[GrahamB]

A comparative bjj technique would be clinch and outside leg trip.

[wayne hansen]

The application of dragon is pretty basic it is much the same as backfist parry punch in tai chi
How you gain control of the arm is not important it is how you control his knee with your foot that counts
In the linking forms it is called wild cat climbs a tree and the three linking forms each have a different version of it
It also equates to snake creeps down /golden cock in tai chi
It teaches dropping and raising
We would do dragon as the final part of training each night
We would go up and down the hall to exaughtion

[aiasthewall]

I have seen a number of applications for dragon: most of the bad, some of them ok. What is more interesting to me with the animals is what kind of body quality they are training. Dragon is my favorite as it trains coiling/winding power, drilling/falling, spinal flexibility, mingmen open/close, splitting, opening the ribs, etc. I suppose a lot of the animals do this...but dragon looks really cool too.

[Patrick]

Thanks guys! To me a takedown somewhat similar to here seems very logical.


But I also like the varation of Paterson as catching the kick .

We would do dragon as the final part of training each night
We would go up and down the hall to exaughtion

Sounds very cool

[wayne hansen]

Ok but not really dragon due to the way you sit down in dragon
More like the extension in water
The first movement in the Wu style tai chi form can be used this way with a toe in rather than a toe out

[Josealb]

The sit down is just for leg strength, to exaggerate the body coiling/folding for training purposes, and to hint of where you end if you stepped on someone's knee, and kept going down until you land with your weight on it.

All the dragons ive seen are basically just two forms: weight forward-ish with back hand ahead of the hips, and weight straight down with the back hand at the hips of even behind them. One has forward energy, going in and down (for going forward and crashing into something), and the other one is going down and back (in case the other person is going into your space).

[middleway]

One interesting application i like is stamping over someone and dropping the rear knee into them, also using that rear knee like a Knee on Belly. Just some extra thoughts.

[GrahamB]

You can also hook on the outside of the leg, like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGsiD0F1ozg