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"Is It In-Line with Yin and Yang?"

Postby Strange on Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:10 pm


Listen around 5:50 :)
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Re: "Is It In-Line with Yin and Yang?"

Postby Bao on Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:44 am

Interesting vid. He is an enthusiastic teacher and his method looks solid. I don't know if teachers from other schools would agree with his explanation on why moving the base doesn't work. Sure, uncontrolled body movement doesn't, he shows that clearly, but not all movement you can do is uncontrolled... Would be interesting to here Chen stylists' comments on this...
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Re: "Is It In-Line with Yin and Yang?"

Postby Strange on Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:49 am

His teacher is Hong Junsheng;
Hong is the student that spent the most time with Chen FaKe
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Re: "Is It In-Line with Yin and Yang?"

Postby windwalker on Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:39 am

while I do enjoy and like this teacher.

What he demos and talks about only works in the context in which its presented ie push hands.
In this sense he is like much of the taiji world caught in the practice of push hands.
All that demo against him also use this format to prove or disprove skill.

IMO a very mistaken out look and will cause one to end up like some other teachers accepting public challenges.
not in a good place :P

taiji also has what are known as the 5 steps, they allow the art to be dynamically used in form and function.
Some one keeps mentioning them here on RSF, some one ;)

Historically past masters demoed or used their art just as any other CMA did or would have at the time, for most taiji
people there is a historic departure from this. reasons of why outlined in another thread. .viewtopic.php?f=3&t=26198

He is a good teacher with skill.
One should understand what type of skill.
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Re: "Is It In-Line with Yin and Yang?"

Postby windwalker on Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:49 am

Bao wrote:Interesting vid. He is an enthusiastic teacher and his method looks solid. I don't know if teachers from other schools would agree with his explanation on why moving the base doesn't work. Sure, uncontrolled body movement doesn't, he shows that clearly, but not all movement you can do is uncontrolled... Would be interesting to here Chen stylists' comments on this...


In physics what he demos at the point mentioned might be called "restoring force"

Must be pretty good, able to hold a cup of coffee or tea while demoing, right ;)
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Re: "Is It In-Line with Yin and Yang?"

Postby Strange on Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:39 am

well, everyone is entitled to their opinion
for me, i do not criticise if i am not able to fully do what was demo-ed
i like the way he explain and demonstrate yin-yang separation very clearly and simply.
i think i will go to a trial class here in Singapore and have a look-see
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Re: "Is It In-Line with Yin and Yang?"

Postby Bao on Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:45 am

Strange wrote:well, everyone is entitled to their opinion
for me, i do not criticise if i am not able to fully do what was demo-ed


No criticism here of what was being demoed.

How would you describe what was being demoed? In a concrete way, what do you see happen?[/quote]

i like the way he explain and demonstrate yin-yang separation very clearly and simply.
i think i will go to a trial class here in Singapore and have a look-see
cheers all :)


Interesting for sure.

Good for you. Would be nice to see your report. 8-)
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Re: "Is It In-Line with Yin and Yang?"

Postby Strange on Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:48 am

Image

what you take away, is entirely your own
as for me, i am more of an Impressionist
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Re: "Is It In-Line with Yin and Yang?"

Postby windwalker on Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:01 am

Strange wrote:what you take away, is entirely your own
as for me, i am more of an Impressionist
:)


""Is It In-Line with Yin and Yang?"

is it?
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Re: "Is It In-Line with Yin and Yang?"

Postby Strange on Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:35 am

what do you think? :)

many people think ima can be understood by the brain
for me, i have my doubts...cos i'm not like many ppl

happy training, cheers
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Re: "Is It In-Line with Yin and Yang?"

Postby windwalker on Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:02 am

Strange wrote:what do you think? :)

many people think ima can be understood by the brain
for me, i have my doubts...cos i'm not like many ppl

happy training, cheers


I don't think, I know.

You posted the post with the title was just interested in your thoughts on it.

Happy training also.

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Re: "Is It In-Line with Yin and Yang?"

Postby Bao on Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:18 am

Strange wrote:many people think ima can be understood by the brain
for me, i have my doubts...


You said "i like the way he explain and demonstrate yin-yang separation very clearly and simply." That means that he understand it with his brain? No?

I often ask people what they work on, what they did on camps and seminars etc. Mostly I find that people can not explain what they did. I find this as a sign that they don't understand what they do with the body. Being able to explain something practical in a simple and straightforward manner mostly means that they do.

What you take away, is entirely your own
as for me, i am more of an Impressionist


My favorite art style is abstract surrealism. By reading your posts, I have come to the conclusion that this style would also suite you very well...
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Re: "Is It In-Line with Yin and Yang?"

Postby Strange on Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:00 pm

ww, my 2 cents is that as far as martial arts is concerned
knowing/understanding with your brain is not enough, it's not like a math or legal concept
in other words: what is "know"? all the following are "know":
- i understand in my brain
- i understand and can do it when practicing alone
- i understand and can do it with my practicing partner
- i can apply it in a real fight situation

eg: "strengthening" one side of the body and loosening the other to yield;
moving one tendon in your arm while your whole body is still;
moving one lung up with the other go down
i know it sounds like parlour tricks, but i saw and experience their martial application first hand


well Bao, i would not know about that...
but i have "booked" a trial class and will be heading down to have a look-see this Friday night.
i agree with what you say about ppl who understand are able to give simple explanation.
no doubt the brain knows, but i do not think that is enough if you are not able to feel with your
own body and execute it in a smooth natural manner.

otherwise, i just don't think one would be able to give a simple and clear explanation.
Plus this teacher lets his student feel his body as he executes the moves,
i think its hard to get anymore straight up than that
the only other guy i know that does this out in the open is Master Kam Tung

cheers
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Re: "Is It In-Line with Yin and Yang?"

Postby windwalker on Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:07 pm

ww, my 2 cents is that as far as martial arts is concerned


my 2 cents is that I can do all that was shown and do use the ideas presented in my own work
although I may not explain it in the same way.

well, everyone is entitled to their opinion
for me, i do not criticise if i am not able to fully do what was demo-ed


No criticism intended of his work. Just an observation.

As to the other things mentioned lungs, tendons, ect,
while interesting not something
I work with in my own work.

eg: "strengthening" one side of the body and loosening the other to yield;
moving one tendon in your arm while your whole body is still;
moving one lung up with the other go down
i know it sounds like parlour tricks, but i saw and experience their martial application first hand


can you do any of the above mentioned....
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Re: "Is It In-Line with Yin and Yang?"

Postby Strange on Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:33 pm

i can do it, but it is not consistent
and i don't think i can do it in a real fight condition.
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