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Re: Aikido v mma

Postby marvin8 on Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:34 pm

Steve James wrote:Well, I don't argue about a person's personal practice. So, I'm not arguing for or against Rokas's pov. I mention mma because that's the thread title. I said I didn't understand the Need for such a comparison. In an mma contest, everybody's doing mma.

Afa "self defense" is concerned, there are too many variables to talk about styles. But, I think that some aikido practitioners can defend themselves "in general." It's the same when people debate whether a tcc practitioner can defend himself. Does someone need to modify tcc so that it's good for self-defense? The debate doesn't matter. In a given situation, either it works or not.

NOw, I do think that competition instills a confidence that doesn't exist without it. That's not to say that competition is necessary, only that the self-confidence that comes from it is a benefit. It's not that "mma" is the only or best form of competition. It's just the popular context today, in the same way that kickboxing was popular before.

As I mentioned Rokas is not making comparisons or "modifying aikido in order to compete at mma." If you replaced mma contest, sport stuff and comparison with practicing with aggressive pressure then commented on those statements, it would be more honest to what Rokas' POV, videos and his modernizing aikido are all about: pressure testing (e.g., drills, sparring), adjusting and making aikido more effective for self-defense:

But, entering open competitions is fine for youngsters.
But, practicing with aggressive pressure is fine for youngsters.

What's the point of comparing aikido to mma?
What's the point of practicing with aggressive pressure?

I don't understand why it's important to use it as an aikido v mma contest . . .
I don't understand why it's important to practice with aggressive pressure . . .

I think people take this sport stuff entirely too seriously.
I think people take this practicing with aggressive pressure entirely too seriously.

I said I didn't understand the Need for such a comparison.
I said I didn't understand the Need for practicing with aggressive pressure.

You may still agree with the above statements, which is fine (opinion). I am just trying to bring clarity to Rokas' journey.

marvin8 wrote:At 3:53 of the video I posted, Dan says peace, harmony and flowing when someone is coming at you with aggressive pressure is high level. But if one is not used to that aggressive pressure, one will tense up and lose any flow or aiki. To get to that high level, one must practice in aggressive pressure situations at times:
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Re: Aikido v mma

Postby Trick on Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:51 pm

"Aggressive pressure" would have a stronger feel to it if written in red
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Re: Aikido v mma

Postby marvin8 on Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:54 am

This latest video description confirms what I have already posted about Rokas' mission.

Published on Apr 2, 2018

Many people don't consider Aikido effective in a real fighting situation. In this video we explore how an effective Aikido technique would look.

Me and my Self Defense coach Marius Tubis took an Aikido technique called Kaiten Nage and looked at how it would be effective in an Aikido fighting situation. Marius has been in countless fighting / self defense situations where he successfully defended himself. When I showed him a variation of a potentially effective Aikido Kaiten Nage technique that I have been working on, he immediately remembered a fighting technique that he used many times in real fighting situations.

Aikido fighting is not common since Aikido does not accept the concept of competition, yet that does not prevent anyone from actually bringing an Aikido person into a fighting situation. Many Aikido people believe that desite training in a static way, that when someone will attack them and a fighting situation will arise, that they will know what to do and that their Aikido techniques will be effective.

For anyone who had real life encounters, most understand that this is a dangerous perspective to have and even if the person is an Aikido master, his Aikido may still fail badly because of the lacking way in training efficiency. If you want an Aikido fight to go smoothly, it is best to prepare before hand exposing yourself to pressure testing and difficult Aikido training. So whether it will be Aikido ground fighting, or Aikido street fighting self defense situation, it is best to train not only a traditional way of Aikido techniques for self development, yet also to develop an Aikido fighting style that will work in an aikido real fight.

If you do not go through this process to know if you have effective aikido you may not know until it's too late. In the end if aikido is effective is already questioned and not without a reason. Until you keep on pressure testing and training Aikido with aliveness you can not know if you have effective Aikido:
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