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Re: Aikido v mma

Postby Tiga Pukul on Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:25 am

In my experience the punching and kicking in Aikido is pretty lame. If look at the advanced practitioners like Christian Tissier, you will find out he has a boxing/karate background, which also makes his Aikido more realistic, but strictly spoken Aikido don't learn to punch or kick. A couple of years back i visited an Aikido school together with my teacher to teach them a little bit of pukulan, but quickly found out that most of the attacks are based on sword-attacks, so they were totally not used to straight-on attacks. And that also goes for the blackbelts over there with 20 years plus experience. :-\
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Re: Aikido v mma

Postby Strange on Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:38 am

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Re: Aikido v mma

Postby Bao on Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:07 am

RobP3 wrote:It might be optimistic to expect there is no adrenalin dump in a self defence situation. Skills or attributes developed in isolation have to be linked back into the "real world" or they tend to disappear under pressure


Sometimes a real situation happens so quick that you have no time to build up adrenaline. If there's a lot of quarrelling, "pushing", shovelling etc, that's another thing. Reality is diversed, but mostly a real confrontation will be nothing like a fight on the mat, friendly or not. You cannot prepare yourself mentally for real violence and how you are going to react in real situations by practicing sparring or competing.
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Re: Aikido v mma

Postby RobP3 on Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:47 am

Bao wrote:
RobP3 wrote:It might be optimistic to expect there is no adrenalin dump in a self defence situation. Skills or attributes developed in isolation have to be linked back into the "real world" or they tend to disappear under pressure


Sometimes a real situation happens so quick that you have no time to build up adrenaline. If there's a lot of quarrelling, "pushing", shovelling etc, that's another thing. Reality is diversed, but mostly a real confrontation will be nothing like a fight on the mat, friendly or not. You cannot prepare yourself mentally for real violence and how you are going to react in real situations by practicing sparring or competing.


I never said you could, though they may help, depending. But there are other methods that will help, tried and tested. And chemical dump can happen very quickly
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Re: Aikido v mma

Postby wayne hansen on Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:55 am

RobP3 wrote:
wayne hansen wrote:The same guy in a sudden self defence situation where he doesn't know who his opponent is might do quite well.
What do they call it in the UFC adrenalin dump when they first get in the cage


It might be optimistic to expect there is no adrenalin dump in a self defence situation. Skills or attributes developed in isolation have to be linked back into the "real world" or they tend to disappear under pressure


I have might not have expressed myself well there
The aikido guy going into the ring with someone who he new was skilled in that situation might have made him over cautious
In a real life situation he might think his training gave him an advantage and act as though he was in the drivers seat
I have seen people with a little training through themselves into situations that they weren't ready for and come out on top due to bravado
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Re: Aikido v mma

Postby marvin8 on Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:29 pm

Bao wrote:Here it's not Aikido that sucks, it's the person who sucks because he hadn't done any fighting before and he had certainly not practiced to use his art In a free fighting situation.

Aikido guy wants to "modernize" Aikido, so it can be effective in the ring/cage and in the street. As in his opinion/experience, traditional Aikido doesn't provide that.

Here is an update.

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In this video Pro UFC fighter, Tai Chi practitioner Nick Osipczak is giving tips on a live Skype session to an Aikido instructor who is interested to modernize his Aikido to present standards of effective martial arts. This is a video of the full training:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV2Gpozt058
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Re: Aikido v mma

Postby Trick on Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:58 pm

marvin8 wrote:
Bao wrote:Here it's not Aikido that sucks, it's the person who sucks because he hadn't done any fighting before and he had certainly not practiced to use his art In a free fighting situation.

Aikido guy wants to "modernize" Aikido, so it can be effective in the ring/cage and in the street. As in his opinion/experience, traditional Aikido doesn't provide that.

Here is an update.

AikidoSiauliai
Published on Nov 6, 2017

In this video Pro UFC fighter, Tai Chi practitioner Nick Osipczak is giving tips on a live Skype session to an Aikido instructor who is interested to modernize his Aikido to present standards of effective martial arts. This is a video of the full training:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV2Gpozt058

If one think about Aikido as beautifully throwing people around it's not going to work. But instead focus on the core, the concept of Aiki and experiment how to apply that in the ring/cage. I would guess Aiki is occasionally already applied by some ring/cage participants without themselves knowing it
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