Re: Sanda vs Dacheng fist (thought boxing) 散打vs大成拳
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:57 pm
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C.J.W. wrote:AFAIK, most Dacheng (Yiquan) people nowadays focus on their own brand of PH as opposed to free-fighting.
C.J.W. wrote:AFAIK, most Dacheng (Yiquan) people nowadays focus on their own brand of PH as opposed to free-fighting.
There's actually plenty of video footage of Yiquan vs. Muy Thai/Sanda from China going back to the early 2000s, but in all the matches I've seen, you can't really tell who's using Yiquan and who's doing Sanda.
Wanderingdragon wrote:Yiquan is a system of fighting that is the next level, a higher development of skills, principles, and concepts that is only understood once foundational, and functional skills and basics are mastered. IMO, yiquan is an achievement as in Da'chengquan, ability to fight is the result of such achievement. There is no technique in yiquan, only movement, as there is no thought to reach for a glass on a shelf, there is no thought to stop a strike by striking, there is only the mind to do what is necessary to do so.
What is speed? The sports press often confuses speed with insight. See, if I start running slightly earlier than someone else, I seem faster.
10. There’s only one moment in which you can arrive in time. If you’re not there, you’re either too early or too late.
everything wrote:Wanderingdragon wrote:Yiquan is a system of fighting that is the next level, a higher development of skills, principles, and concepts that is only understood once foundational, and functional skills and basics are mastered. IMO, yiquan is an achievement as in Da'chengquan, ability to fight is the result of such achievement. There is no technique in yiquan, only movement, as there is no thought to reach for a glass on a shelf, there is no thought to stop a strike by striking, there is only the mind to do what is necessary to do so.
this is like saying "football is a simple game, but to play simple football is the hardest thing."
you can't get to that philosophical ideal unless you were already a player/fighter/whatever.
another great Cruyff quote is "before I make a mistake, I don't make that mistake."
again you can't get to that ideal unless you have a ton of experience.
wushutiger wrote:@ 8:45 "In fact, the yin and yang theory you could apply to any sport. You could apply it to basketball. It’s about the theory of opposites. The theory of conversion from one extreme to the other and how they work together and interchange. It’s not a metaphysical, magical, religious theory. It’s just a way to explain the theory, which exists in physics."
@ 18:01 Magical abilities — "A lot of these mystical and magical theories are quite modern. If you look at chuan pu or historical records, they never really talk about magical abilities. . . . The more you get into training even if it’s through regular sparring with classmates; the more honest it keeps you. Because, there’s no place for magic and illusions. Either it works when you’re doing it or it doesn’t work. Either you have the skill to defend yourself and apply your art or you’re getting smacked in the face quite often by your classmates. It keeps you honest."
everything wrote:What is speed? The sports press often confuses speed with insight. See, if I start running slightly earlier than someone else, I seem faster.
10. There’s only one moment in which you can arrive in time. If you’re not there, you’re either too early or too late.
Dr. Yang, Jwing-Ming wrote:The classics say: “The opponent does not move, I do not move; the opponent moves slightly, I move first.” We can use an example to explain this. When a person is about to step through a door, and has lifted his foot and started to move forward, if the door is suddenly shut, the person will usually be bounced backward. If the timing is right, you do not need much energy to do this.
Wanderingdragon wrote:As Michael Jordan explains, as I have explained, there is no yiquan without basic, foundational skills. These skill are developed with diligent committed practice of the simplicities. Once you command your art, you are free to do what you please. Picasso, Coltrane, Jordan, Wang Xiangzhai, any one of whom will laugh at you if you think you can do what they can do without having mastered the medium.
Wanderingdragon wrote:Yiquan is a system of fighting that is the next level, a higher development of skills, principles, and concepts that is only understood once foundational, and functional skills and basics are mastered.
Wanderingdragon wrote:There is no technique in yiquan, only movement, as there is no thought to reach for a glass on a shelf, there is no thought to stop a strike by striking, there is only the mind to do what is necessary to do so.
There is no technique in yiquan, only movement, as there is no thought to reach for a glass on a shelf, there is no thought to stop a strike by striking, there is only the mind to do what is necessary to do so.