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Re: solo aikido exercises -william gleason

Postby asiawide on Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:09 am

Wobbling is ok since the purpose of shiko is not to stand straight on one foot. But I don't like he talks too much. This lady explains one aspect of shiko very well and probably better than Gleason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGa5C1Qs8jA

If one says 'shiko is for xxx', he knows and gets only XXX from shiko. He doesn't know what will come next XXX. Especially Gleason's version of shiko doesn't go low much. IMHO, it's very very important to go low at first stage. Cross body, 3 axis or blah blah don't matter. Go down and spray WD40 to your stiff middle and low area. That's to get the sinking qi or heavy arms.
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Re: solo aikido exercises -william gleason

Postby wayne hansen on Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:26 am

Is there a good example of these Shinzo exercises on YouTube
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Re: solo aikido exercises -william gleason

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:56 am

wayne hansen wrote:Is there a good example of these Shinzo exercises on YouTube


Do you mean Shiko? Or do you mean "heart exercises?"



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Re: solo aikido exercises -william gleason

Postby Trick on Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:10 am

wayne hansen wrote:Is there a good example of these Shinzo exercises on YouTube


I can't see the vid posted here unless they are Chinese Tubes. So I just ask, this Shiko is it the way the Sumo guys are doing or the "knee walking" done in Aikido? The knee walking I can see could be a good exercise for the lower abdomen and hips.
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Re: solo aikido exercises -william gleason

Postby Finny on Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:16 am

Although close, sumo shiko =/= ' shikko' (knee walking)...
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Re: solo aikido exercises -william gleason

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:09 am

Trick wrote:
wayne hansen wrote:Is there a good example of these Shinzo exercises on YouTube


I can't see the vid posted here unless they are Chinese Tubes. So I just ask, this Shiko is it the way the Sumo guys are doing or the "knee walking" done in Aikido? The knee walking I can see could be a good exercise for the lower abdomen and hips.


Finny, I don't think you answered his question. :)

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Re: solo aikido exercises -william gleason

Postby Finny on Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:14 am

HAH! The award for the most useless post this year goes to...

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Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:43 am

I was just joshing. All good!
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Re: solo aikido exercises -william gleason

Postby wayne hansen on Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:53 am

Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:
wayne hansen wrote:Is there a good example of these Shinzo exercises on YouTube


Do you mean Shiko? Or do you mean "heart exercises?"





Sorry I didn't notice predictive text changed the spelling
I just wanted to see someone who does them well do them
Where do they come from,are the from sumo
I remember members of the Japanese team at the Tang Shou Tao championships in Taiwan in 1975 teaching me these
What lineage teaches these are the meant to come from earlier aiki jitsu training
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Re: solo aikido exercises -william gleason

Postby Finny on Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:27 pm

The history of shiko is something that can be investigated at length - there aren't short answers to those questions. Originally from sumo. The version discussed in this thread comes from Daito ryu AJJ.
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Re: solo aikido exercises -william gleason

Postby wayne hansen on Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:12 pm

When was it adopted by ajj
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Re: solo aikido exercises -william gleason

Postby Finny on Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:59 pm

The history of "aikijujutsu" is very curious itself. One of the best books written on the subject is being released in a 2nd, revised edition (this week I think) - 'Hidden in Plain Sight' by Ellis Amdur; who is a member here and can answer far better than I can.

Essentially the term Aikijujutsu is proprietary to Daito ryu - which is very much (in terms of it's history) a Bagua-esque art. It emerged in the early 1900's, being taught by a single, enigmatic man named Takeda Sokaku. He was known to be a ... unique character, hyper paranoid, exceedingly violent. He had killed a couple of labourers following the Meiji era sword ban (and was almost killed himself by all accounts) when a group of them taunted him for still wearing a sword (he was better known as a sword expert at the time). Allegedly the judge told him that the era of the sword was done, and he should learn to adapt. He began teaching his 'previously secret' style of jujutsu - which went through several name changes before settling on Daito ryu. He was also the teacher of the founder of Aikido, Morihei Ueshiba.

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The story he espoused about DR being a 900 year old art is about as likely as ZSF creating TJQ... and the man he credited with teaching him is not known to have been a martial artist.. which leaves the real history and creation of the art open for examination - hence Mr Amdur's book, which the original edition did wonderfully.

Takeda was known to teach different people different things. One of his students was a large, powerful sumo practitioner - Takeda informed him that he would teach him jujutsu (ie the mechanical techniques - taolu and applications, I suppose, in CMA terms) - to other, smaller students he said he would teach 'aiki' (which has as many definitions as there are teachers of DR/Aikido/HKD - but is often thought of as 'internal' goodies - jibengong perhaps, in CMA terms). The process of teaching or acquiring 'aiki' was/is reminiscent in many was of CIMA, and shiko is one of the integral tanren exercises (AFAIK - I'm not a DR guy)

In short - no-one knows, but it may be that DR was created/compiled by Takeda from disparate teachings. His father was a well known Sumo champion, and he was known to have competed (against his father's wishes) when younger. He also studied several other Japanese MA, some of which were known for 'unusual' conditioning exercises.

Check out the book if you're really interested - it's really very well done.
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Re: solo aikido exercises -william gleason

Postby Trick on Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:07 pm

wayne hansen wrote:When was it adopted by ajj

In my very limited Wikipedia research I read Takeda Sōkaku father was a ranked sumo wrestler
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Re: solo aikido exercises -william gleason

Postby wayne hansen on Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:25 pm

That doesn't answer the question
If it was part of Daito Ryu from the start why wasn't in aikido or hapkido
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Re: solo aikido exercises -william gleason

Postby Finny on Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:36 pm

That's a different question entirely. As I noted, the (for all intents and purposes) founder of DR taught different people differently. Kinda like asking why not all Bagua lineages have straight line or 'animal' sets..

There is however enough information available, and enough lines of DR (seem to) consider shiko integral enough that there is no doubt it comes 'from the source' so to speak.

The founder of Aikido was known to have altered both the physical manifestation of the techniques he was taught, as well as not necessarily teaching 'aiki' to his students.. as his teacher had taught him to, and done himself ('teach only one or two the real goods..'). Where DR teaches to use the internal connections/spirals to collapse opponents in a crumpled heap at the practitioner's feet, Aikido redirects those forces and allows the recipient to be 'thrown away' from the Aikido person:

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