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Taiji sparring

Postby bviru_xin on Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:39 am

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Re: Taiji sparring

Postby oragami_itto on Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:57 am

Wrestling?
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Re: Taiji sparring

Postby JoeWood on Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:21 am

Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Taiji sparring

Postby Ron Panunto on Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:34 am

oragami_itto wrote:Wrestling?


It's better than kickboxing.
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Re: Taiji sparring

Postby oragami_itto on Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:15 am

Ron Panunto wrote:
oragami_itto wrote:Wrestling?


It's better than kickboxing.


Not insulting, just asking about the ruleset. No strikes?
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Re: Taiji sparring

Postby robert on Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:41 am

It looks like push hands.

This is more my idea of taiji sparring - starting around 2:50 ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk-OITQqHP8

They start off with wrists touching, but still need to work on entering/evading and there are strikes as well - elbows, shoulders, kicks, and so on.
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Re: Taiji sparring

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:51 pm

Yes, this was the most common expression that push hands took under my teacher. We also had quite a bit of chinna, though. Pushing, pulling, and striking was emphasized more during sparring.
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Re: Taiji sparring

Postby wayne hansen on Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:46 am

That's not real is it?
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Re: Taiji sparring

Postby Bao on Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:50 am

No, it’s a stage-show, just as real as American Pro Wrestling.
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Re: Taiji sparring

Postby robert on Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:31 pm

As far as I know it's as real as boxing is. CZQ is the guy who brought Muay Thai fighters from Thailand to China to fight some of his instructors. He wants to promote Chen taiji as a martial art. The guy that CQZ is fighting in the video is one of the guys who fought one of the Muay Thai guys from Thailand. Zhang Yanfei.

http://chentaijiquanworld.blogspot.com/2013/09/thai-boxing-challenge-for-chen.html

Here's the video of ZYF and the Muay Thai fighter.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyJfyVKZdpk
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Re: Taiji sparring

Postby wayne hansen on Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:40 pm

That's even more fake
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Re: Taiji sparring

Postby willie on Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:04 pm

Looks to me like they are all real. I expecially enjoyed that first clip. Those guys will devastate what everybody thinks is real
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Re: Taiji sparring

Postby robert on Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:28 am

I agree with you, but I guess it depends on your definition of real. They are exhibition matches; they aren't fighting for rankings/titles. As such I think the first video is a good representation of taiji sparring.
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Re: Taiji sparring

Postby willie on Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:48 pm

robert wrote:I agree with you, but I guess it depends on your definition of real. They are exhibition matches; they aren't fighting for rankings/titles. As such I think the first video is a good representation of taiji sparring.

What I meant by what I said is that a lot of people don't really understand what it feels like.
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Re: Taiji sparring

Postby C.J.W. on Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:07 pm

First clip: Real.
The foreign student is going at the teacher with resistance and intensity, albeit in a moving-step PH format.

Second clip: Real & Fake.
Real in the sense that there is resistance and striking involved, but fake because his opponents are either weaklings who were handpicked to lose, or been told to take a dive. (There was also quite a bit of controversy back then surrounding those televised Taiji matches because most of the participants were students at the Chenjiagou Taijiquan School. With CZQ being the chief instructor of the school and a big-name within the Chen Taiji family, many of them were uncomfortable going against him in public, and felt obligated to extend him the courtesy of victory. One senior student even chose to forfeit when he realized he'd be fighting CZQ in the last rounds of the competition.)

Third clip: Fake.
If it were real, that poor guy would have to be the worst Muay Thai fighter I've ever seen!
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