Tom wrote:willie wrote:The art is still ultra secret...I suspect, Even in their own circle.
So what Chen are you actually seeing? None.
Willie--
I think I understand what you are trying to say here . . . what Chen are we actually seeing there (in the allusions to the famous-name brands like Chen Zhiqiang, Bing, et al.)?
I just wanted to point out that Dan has met and played with one of your own teacher's teachers--Wang Haijun. He's also met and played with and felt and been felt by Liu Chengde, one-on-one and in-depth and with a competent translator. I used to train Chen taijiquan, and Dan's got a very good eye and sense of what Chen involves.
Hi Tom. Yes, I was aware of that Dan did meet Wang on at least one occasion. What they actually did is unknown to me, But I suspect, not much. In his lesser statement, He said that they need to keep what works and get rid of what does not work. I'm not sure if he realizes the severity of that statement. What should they get rid of? Applications from the forms which he believes no longer serve any purpose?
Applications that he don't even know and cannot display himself. There's the problem with that. Seeing how those applications have a corresponding counterpart in the forms themselves, Well then wouldn't that mean that the forms themselves should no longer be practiced? No more laojia or xinjia, Ect... And then to make it even worse all of the other Tai Chi Arts come from Chen. So are we supposed to just roll them up and throw those all away too? Just because "some guy" from an entirely different art says so? Those applications are
inextricably linked to the forms...They can not be removed and discarded.