the rum soaked fist: internal martial arts forum

Edit: First link was removed. Here is a new link, same video.

Savunma Sanatları Akademisi
Published on Jul 21, 2017

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DK YOO
Published on Jun 7, 2017:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe-2xXLU1mo

As is often the case with videos such as this I don’t have the full context, though given the gloves and headgear and the ring it’s safe to say it was at least semi-serious sparring. If that is the case then it doesn’t even merit any technical analysis, it was shocking and a trip to an amateur boxing gym is in order if he wants to play that game.

I don’t get the obsession with wanting to glove up and play other people’s games when it is not your skill set (although I did it myself for a long time so maybe a bit hypocritical). But with the benefit of hindsight it seems kind of stupid.

Been seeing this guy's online material quite often in the past few years. He seems to be promoting himself as some sort of Korean Systema bad ass.

I didn't realise it was that guy
He sure is a lot more impressive in a set situation

I don’t get the obsession with wanting to glove up and play other people’s games when it is not your skill set (although I did it myself for a long time so maybe a bit hypocritical). But with the benefit of hindsight it seems kind of stupid.

I guess people want to test their work in unfamiliar, but semi safe, environments to see how their skillset compares with a common one. If it doesnt compare and the person is bested then its a great tool for growth even if one accepts that the skillsets are different.

Personally i think it should be encouraged by every martial arts coach out there if anything other than maintenance of tradition, or sports specificity is to goal.

I agree with what Chris said above.

Also, I'm no DK Yoo fan but the OP looks like him working with a student, so I'm not entirely sure what the purpose of the "exposed" thing is. Because he is not using a wing chun stance?? Anyway, I don't suppose it is meant to be anything other than it is, how useful it is depends on what you are trying to acheive, I guess

It looks like he's just messing around. Not sure what is being exposed? I only know him through random Youtube clips and he definitely has good body mechanics. I'm guessing this supposedly proves he can't apply those same mechanics in live situation? I don't know how you can judge someone's actual fighting skills unless the person is actually serious and facing someone decent? How much proper mechanic would you be using when playing with your 5 year old kid?

.Q. wrote:It looks like he's just messing around. Not sure what is being exposed? I only know him through random Youtube clips and he definitely has good body mechanics. I'm guessing this supposedly proves he can't apply those same mechanics in live situation? I don't know how you can judge someone's actual fighting skills unless the person is actually serious and facing someone decent? How much proper mechanic would you be using when playing with your 5 year old kid?

Having only "good body mechanics" and speed doesn't mean you can apply it. A good fighter may take those strengths away using his fighting skills. Training realistically with a resistant opponent can help develop those skills. Bruce Lee not only exhibited power and speed. He demonstrated a variety of fighting skills in sparring his student, fifty years ago.

Casual fans may not realize Mike Tyson was successful not only because of his power. He had other fighting skills. Mike Tyson’s Defense, http://rosstraining.com/blog/2012/07/09 ... s-defense/:

Ross on July 9th, 2012 wrote:Not long after posting yesterday’s entry, I received an email from an individual who questioned the significance of skill if one possessed extreme power and strength. He then attempted to use Mike Tyson as an example of a dominant boxer who thrived on power, not skill.

I wasn’t surprised by the comment, despite disagreeing with it. Many younger boxing fans are only familiar with short highlight videos of Mike Tyson’s one punch knockouts. They fail to understand or appreciate the skill behind those knockouts.

Mike Tyson was actually an extremely talented defensive fighter. His head movement and ability to make opponents miss is often what left him in position to land the knockout punch. Tyson wasn’t effective simply because he was strong or naturally powerful. He was also a talented boxer with a vast range of skills.

The video below highlights his defensive prowess.



Ironically, a friend of mine who sparred with Tyson when they were both accomplished professionals has named a few fighters that he believed hit harder than Tyson. I won’t bother listing the names here, as most are fighters that no one has ever heard of.

In summary, no one will deny the potential importance of power, but don’t make the mistake of assuming it overrules the significance of skill. If you wish excel at a sport, you must practice and perform it. Supplemental training must not interfere with your development in the sport. Focus on the sport first and foremost, and then make small additions to enhance your development. In time, your ability to handle greater workloads will increase, thus you’ll be able to perform more supplemental training. The process often takes years, not weeks or months. Either prepare yourself for the long haul or be prepared to fail.

I have no idea if DK Yoo can apply the mechanics live. This video does not convince me that he can, nor does it convince me he can't. It really doesn't tell me anything since he's not trying to do anything other than maybe "feeding" the student? The only thing I know about him is that he has good mechanics and his classes are kind of expensive.
I believe mechanic and ability to apply them are completely independent attributes. Having one does not tell you anything about the other.

The ladies in my JC boxing class were better than that. The dudes? No contest.

My coach recently trained with him in the UK as he was over for some seminars and has written a couple blog posts about his experience. This seems like a good thread to link them!

http://www.raisedspirit.com/blog--news.html

.Q. wrote:It looks like he's just messing around. Not sure what is being exposed? I only know him through random Youtube clips and he definitely has good body mechanics. I'm guessing this supposedly proves he can't apply those same mechanics in live situation? I don't know how you can judge someone's actual fighting skills unless the person is actually serious and facing someone decent? How much proper mechanic would you be using when playing with your 5 year old kid?

Even in the most playful of sparring sessions it is impossible to hide good boxing basics if you have them, he does not. Just one example, after striking he doesn't consistently retract his hands to guard. That is a good part of what puts a bit of hot sauce on the strikes as well as preventing getting himself knocked out, which it looks like my teenage daughter could do if he got in the ring with her.

middleway wrote:

I don’t get the obsession with wanting to glove up and play other people’s games when it is not your skill set (although I did it myself for a long time so maybe a bit hypocritical). But with the benefit of hindsight it seems kind of stupid.

I guess people want to test their work in unfamiliar, but semi safe, environments to see how their skillset compares with a common one. If it doesnt compare and the person is bested then its a great tool for growth even if one accepts that the skillsets are different.

Personally i think it should be encouraged by every martial arts coach out there if anything other than maintenance of tradition, or sports specificity is to goal.

I agree in the case of striking arts, yeah get in the ring. But if the specialisation is any more removed, say chin na for example, getting in the boxing ring is going to result in looking foolish and getting injured.

I find it strange that bjj guys never seem to get called out as not "fighting" even though the skill set is very specific and doesn't involve striking. Personally at my relatively advanced age I stick to push hands (from light work to all out stand up grappling) and wouldn't be tempted in to anything else.

This dude should stick to movie fighting style demos, he's good at it.

Having encountered boxers or people who said they boxed in my time.
If one is not a boxer they soon find out why its not good idea to "box" a boxer thinking one can.

None of the people he's working with appear to be or have boxed,
this would change a lot of what one does or thinks they can do....