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Is that older video known?

https://m.v.qq.com/x/page/d/y/9/d0320wpfry9.html?=

I always feel that many of the older guys on the black & white movies look much more impressive than what I can see on average from current material. Can we assume they where just much more skillful at least on the form side?

Nice vid, thanks for sharing. Felt out all my tendons while watching

Re now and then: perhaps one of the reasons of such an impression is that video recording at that time was very expensive. If someone deserved to get on film, he must really stand out.

yes, of course
they believe in the system, dun talk and train hard
have focus and are not distracted by nonsense

for those feeling the movement quality was good or exceptional

Is it reasonable to assume that he can give up so much space using the transition timing between movements
and use the next movement. In other words are the transitions between movements fluid with out stopping..

It was not to clear on my I pad
However I think it might be Chen wing Kwong
If not it is the same circular form I learned through both the tan mon hung and Chen tin hung lineages
It is done very well
Thanks for posting

yes I believe it is Cheng Wing-Kwok

and its the same circular form (smooth form) that I learned
from his student's student..


Franklin

HaraldH wrote:
I always feel that many of the older guys on the black & white movies look much more impressive than what I can see on average from current material. Can we assume they where just much more skillful at least on the form side?

Take a video of a current performer, reduce the frame rate, blur the focus, etc., and then compare. At least then it's apples to apples...

HaraldH wrote:Is that older video known?

https://m.v.qq.com/x/page/d/y/9/d0320wpfry9.html?=

I always feel that many of the older guys on the black & white movies look much more impressive than what I can see on average from current material. Can we assume they where just much more skillful at least on the form side?

Same video on youtube.

Wing Kwong Tai Chi Academy
Published on Jun 27, 2016

鄭榮光老師演示太極拳(吳鑒泉之入室弟子)
Website:http://wingkwong-taichi.org.hk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPo1U_gmOWs


Wing Kwong Tai Chi Academy
Published on Aug 7, 2017

Cheng Wing Kwong Wu Style Tai Chi Chuan 108 Forms 89 to 108
Website: http://wingkwong-taichi.org.hk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3HVucgerrk

ItsMeCookiemonster
Published on Jan 30, 2015

承傳：吳鑑泉，鄭榮光，鄭沛琪....
lineage（cultural inheritance）： Wu Jian Quan, Zheng Rong Quang (Cheng Wing Kwong) , , Zheng Pei Qi.....

Wu Style Tai Chi performed by son of Zheng Rong Quang ( Cheng Wing Kwong):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2t8YuU26zU

The son and the student don't have his quality and clarity of movement

Yes, such a big gap. The movements of Zheng Rong Guang seem very purposeful as if he knows what he is doing. I feel that maybe he could also apply this for real ...

I am sure he could
CTH got his combat reality from somewhere

HaraldH wrote:I always feel that many of the older guys on the black & white movies look much more impressive than what I can see on average from current material. Can we assume they where just much more skillful at least on the form side?

From the little Wu-Taiji I was exposed to while I lived in Beijing this looks somewhat different, slightly more flow and slightly more solid. One thing that also might make it seem of higher movement skill could be the clothing, but for sure the man in the vid perform excellent.

Northern Wu is quite different

HaraldH wrote:Yes, such a big gap. The movements of Zheng Rong Guang seem very purposeful as if he knows what he is doing. I feel that maybe he could also apply this for real ...

For me the original video looks better because he's doing it "as it would work". The other performances seem slowed down to the point of obsolescence from a martial arts point of view. Sure, everything could be lined up and connected, but there's no expression of force. For a move to work it needs a certain kind of dynamic that reflects a realism on how the opponent would react, or the forces necessary to actually throw somebody from an arm grab, or lift them, or make then fall back. That's what I see in the older performance from ZRG/CWK.

Anyone who wants to see Master Cheng Wing Kwongs Taijiquan alive today should check out the recent Wu style applications thread.