the rum soaked fist: internal martial arts forum

Trick wrote:Maybe maybe not, but that could be one thing to read in to it.....not asking him about striking

Bao wrote:
What he mention that he can do is not important. A lot of teachers speak a lot. I am very tired of everything teachers say. I never listen to what they say anymore, I only want to see what he can do. Many people speak about Qi and show pushing. This is no proof that they can apply their method for finishing strategies. Compare with William Chen. He teaches to everyone how to use a completely relaxed and empty body method to strike with. You can see quite a few vids with his demonstrations on the tube. Everyone who feels what he does or can look closely at what he does don't doubt that the now over 80 years old small guy have at least one of the strongest punches they've witnessed. He talks the talk and walks the walk. Now if you ask Mizner how to strike, he show a push and speak about Qi. Again, a push does not translate automatically into a strike. To make some damage, the fist need to be able to penetrate a surface. This is different from unbalancing a mass. They are different skills that needs different body mechanics and both needs practice.

Bao wrote:What he mention that he can do is not important. A lot of teachers speak a lot. I am very tired of everything teachers say. I never listen to what they say anymore, I only want to see what he can do. Many people speak about Qi and show pushing. This is no proof that they can apply their method for finishing strategies. Compare with William Chen. He teaches to everyone how to use a completely relaxed and empty body method to strike with. You can see quite a few vids with his demonstrations on the tube. Everyone who feels what he does or can look closely at what he does don't doubt that the now over 80 years old small guy have at least one of the strongest punches they've witnessed. He talks the talk and walks the walk. Now if you ask Mizner how to strike, he show a push and speak about Qi. Again, a push does not translate automatically into a strike. To make some damage, the fist need to be able to penetrate a surface. This is different from unbalancing a mass. They are different skills that needs different body mechanics and both needs practice.

Adam Mizner wrote:In the form there are endless postures. This is striking, the five punches, the different directions of striking, the elbow, the shoulder stroke, the whole body as a hand. So, we strike like any other art. We hit them. How you do it. How you generate the power is different. And, how you control the situation is different.

marvin8 wrote:

Bao wrote:What he mention that he can do is not important. A lot of teachers speak a lot. I am very tired of everything teachers say. I never listen to what they say anymore, I only want to see what he can do. Many people speak about Qi and show pushing. This is no proof that they can apply their method for finishing strategies. Compare with William Chen. He teaches to everyone how to use a completely relaxed and empty body method to strike with. You can see quite a few vids with his demonstrations on the tube. Everyone who feels what he does or can look closely at what he does don't doubt that the now over 80 years old small guy have at least one of the strongest punches they've witnessed. He talks the talk and walks the walk. Now if you ask Mizner how to strike, he show a push and speak about Qi. Again, a push does not translate automatically into a strike. To make some damage, the fist need to be able to penetrate a surface. This is different from unbalancing a mass. They are different skills that needs different body mechanics and both needs practice.

Adam doesn't only "show a push and speak about Qi." Adam strikes at 7:47, 7:52, 8:00, 8:03, 8:06, 8:08, 8:18, 8:21, 8:39, 8:44 of the video.

At 7:19, he explains striking:

Adam Mizner wrote:In the form there are endless postures. This is striking, the five punches, the different directions of striking, the elbow, the shoulder stroke, the whole body as a hand. So, we strike like any other art. We hit them. How you do it. How you generate the power is different. And, how you control the situation is different.

windwalker wrote:some must've watched a different clip,,,ya think

Trick wrote:

wayne hansen wrote:Was that full contact Karate

Shotokan-Karate, in which sparring/competition fighting is not full contact, the unwritten rule is "skin touch" to head/face "reasonable" contact to torso, but "accidents" happened......For the other forum members that don't know, In "traditionally" Karate strikes are not just isolated arm moves and in fighting a Karateka are not trained to first chamber the fist at the hip before striking

Bao wrote:Actually I don't Kieran. If he wanted to know if Adam could deliver a real tai chi punch with some real power behind it, he should have brought some kind of protection and asked to feel his punch. Now if Adam and his tai chi can punch or not remains theory. He can talk all he wants that proves nothing.

Adam Mizner wrote:The point is not to strike with li, stupid force, by throwing your mass around, or simply accelerating the hand quickly. But, how to be song and mobilize the qi inside the body. So that the chi movement and jin movement creates the power. So, when you fa you’re mobilizing the chi and making the power without any percussion, any impact force—just through the body and out to send your opponent out like an arrow. . . .

marvin8 wrote:At 7:19, he explains striking:

Adam Mizner wrote:In the form there are endless postures. This is striking, the five punches, the different directions of striking, the elbow, the shoulder stroke, the whole body as a hand. So, we strike like any other art. We hit them. How you do it. How you generate the power is different. And, how you control the situation is different.

oragami_itto wrote:
All I can think of, you can see him hitting Kieran, just not knocking him out. Which is good for everyone. I don't need to see him put a hole in somebody to understand the power behind the strikes. I can feel it myself any time I want to hit something.

I don't think you're ever going to see Mizner with a bag or gloves. Generally HME folks hit people.

windwalker wrote:

oragami_itto wrote:
All I can think of, you can see him hitting Kieran, just not knocking him out. Which is good for everyone. I don't need to see him put a hole in somebody to understand the power behind the strikes. I can feel it myself any time I want to hit something.

I don't think you're ever going to see Mizner with a bag or gloves. Generally HME folks hit people.

To be clear I agree he showed and gave his reasonings for the two different methods he talked about. My comment about must have been two different videos was meant as tongue and cheek to illustrate that people see different things