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Re: tai chi and flat earth - Joe Rogan

Postby Franklin on Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:08 am

retreats108 wrote:Excuse me for the diversion, but if interested in Serge Augier's subtle skills of protection and combat his new book Urban Violence - using Mian Xiang Face Reading for \self Defence is packed full of details of how Da Xuan Daoists (who were at one time bodyguards in the Tang imperial court) read the faces, postures, body language etc of potential attackers, how to respond, escape, best way to train for real combat if need and much more. It is deep knowledge that I have not see in any books before.

Details from - http://www.lineofintent.com





curious how Serge is teaching Mian Xiang for self defense...

how does he approach it...?



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Re: tai chi and flat earth - Joe Rogan

Postby northern_mantis on Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:57 am

When another inevitable 'what is internal?' debate erupts in future this thread would prove a pretty good discription of an internal system.
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Serge Augier Mian Xiang

Postby lineofintent on Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:13 am

Hi Franklin )

I can only direct you to the information on our page where Serge explains his approach a little, but to answer your questions you would need to read the book.

http://lineofintent.com/product/urban-v ... ge-augier/

By the way, this is not the same book as Singing Dragon were going to publish, but will not be now - it is much expanded and more detailed.

As with his exceptional and sublime boxing ability, Serge's teaching of all aspects of Daoism is really something totally different to what has been seen in the West before, extremely detailed and practical with no admixture of new age waffle or dry technical ramblings having no pragmatic use.

This series of books will slowly cover all aspects of his Da Xuan Daoism, all aspects interlocking.
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Re: tai chi and flat earth - Joe Rogan

Postby marvin8 on Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:40 pm

Franklin wrote:
retreats108 wrote:Excuse me for the diversion, but if interested in Serge Augier's subtle skills of protection and combat his new book Urban Violence - using Mian Xiang Face Reading for \self Defence is packed full of details of how Da Xuan Daoists (who were at one time bodyguards in the Tang imperial court) read the faces, postures, body language etc of potential attackers, how to respond, escape, best way to train for real combat if need and much more. It is deep knowledge that I have not see in any books before.

Details from - http://www.lineofintent.com

curious how Serge is teaching Mian Xiang for self defense...

how does he approach it...?



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A blog post on self defense by Serge, The Fighting Arts in the Way, https://www.sergeaugier.fr/blogger/post ... 4762868094:
Serge Augier on March 15, 2017 wrote:The Fighting Arts in the Way

Often enough in Gong Fu or Tai Ji Quan classes we talk about fighting, personal defense, we learn to respond to possible attacks ... But is it really that necessary?

Today the probabilities are not so high, unless we are ask for it, that we have to apply all these techniques in such conditions.

There is no need to fight, to collect self-defense techniques to achieve an evolution and to feel better in one's life.

Depending on individual needs, be more present in one's actions and succeeding in fighting against stress are sufficient.

There are many techniques, teachings and a multitude of spiritual ways that can meet these expectations.

One way or another, all paths lead to the same thing: feeling better, closer to one's real self, being a better person and sharing this relaxed state with other people.

But in this case, there is no need to seek fighting arts: to practice them, violence must be understood in a practical and real manner. If we study any form of combat without being clear about what we do, without really knowing the thrust of the teaching we follow, staying in a nebulous position for years, we just lose time.

With urban life we meet hundreds of people every day, and although some are just silhouettes for us, it is necessary to have a better understanding of the relationship with the others. One facet of it, and we can see that every day, is the possibility of confrontation. This relationship can go from a simple exchange of looks to a real violent conflict: of course it is exaggerated!

Even in this exaggeration, we can realize just how often it is difficult to say what we think, we don't want to disturb, we are afraid ... The fear of the other is as unfounded than the need to practice martial arts.

The two-person training, in martial disciplines, allows for once to go after a contact with the other, directly through the body, as less intellectually as possible. Through a better physical understanding of the other person, through a better feeling of the center and the axis of the body, we understand ourself a little better. This relationship to the other in the exercise allows to feel more than to think, it is par excellence an honest relationship.

I often have people telling me about their practice in clubs, which are often "sport" clubs, where the whole teaching implied to come once to five times a week to dress up, to bow in fornt of portraits of old masters that they don't know, to lock themselves in a ritual which is far from everyday life, and then return to their life. A majority of these people got no benefit from these sometimes long years of practice.

First, we have to learn what practice really is:

It is a work that is done alone, only for ourself,
and where the teacher has little significance.


Besides, a bad teacher who passes a corrupt practice, can bring us the desired results if we practice honestly.

The moment our practice is the most important is never a peaceful moment: if we need Qi Gong it is because we need energy, and because we are rarely in a quiet state of mind. The moments when meditation, when the meditative state, are most needed, are moments of breakdown. Once again, the fighting arts give us the best example: the only times we have to use what we know to defend ourself, we are rarely ready, and almost never in the right mindset.

If the practice is a ritual, separated from everyday life, it is unlikely that it can be useful.

The first thing that keeps from using the knowledge of our practice is fear. The best way to go against fear is to confront it in a gradual yet regular manner: the fighting arts are one of the healthiest ways to do so.

How many people feel this need to drive fast, to throw themselves in the sheer drop only attach to a spring, to drink or eat too much, to have all these behaviors which are kind of a way to defy death? In this challenge is the need to cross swords with fear, a bit like when watching horror movies or reading scaring stories.

The primordial energy of the body, which in chinese medicine comes from the kidneys, is related to fear. If the general energy of the body is weak, we feel afraid of all things, we sleep poorly, we have trouble digesting food...

In the animal kingdom, deep into the heart of one given species, there are the peaceful ones and the fearful ones. When you look closer, the fearful ones are often those who are sick, injured, easy preys for potential predators. They are not better nor worse than the others, they are just in a moment of weakness and they know it's dangerous. Few animals remain in this state, either because they heal and become strong again, or because they get killed by a predator.

In humans, it is not uncommon for this condition to persist, to become a way of life. We have no predators, or at least this is what we often believe. Someone who is always afraid will be a victim at work, in relationships with abusive people, perhaps even in the couple relationship. We are not talking about panic here, but this little anxiety which is pointless and prevents us from expressing ourself honestly about our feelings and wishes.

This is obviously not by beating people up that we will feel better, but through fighting arts we can more easily assert our personality, develop our place in the world.

This can be achieved in many ways, and all of them are good. But if instead of choosing the steep path, full of traps, that we will take by crawling, we could choose a sunny glade that we will walk across with the head up, why would we do without it?

Meditation is a difficult practice, and still so simple. It takes two things to meditate correctly: a practical and sufficient concentration ability to do this practice. Concentration is not necessarily filled with a stiff intent, but it's simply the ability to stay focused on something. It is possible to do this only with a peaceful and relaxed mind. This relaxation state is difficult to achieve when one is afraid of everyone, of everything and all the rest.

Qi Gong is an even simpler practice than meditation, but still so complicated. The body has to be relaxed, breathing has to be refined, emotions have to be calmed and energy has to flow freely. The first manifestation of fear is a tension in the body, a speeded up breathing rythm, an unceasing production of ideas and it is quite clear that energy cannot flow in a tensed body. Once again, we can not practice properly if we are scared.

The martial arts simply ask to be here and now, to accept the training, and to be honest in their daily practice. The ancient practice of chinese fighting arts include many exercises for mind and body, two-person exercises, methods for the training and the usage of the breath. Few exercises are physically tough, yet we clearly feel the work.

In my view, to have a real access to Qi Gong or meditation, one needs a physical practice that will help to strengthen the body and calm the mind. It is not necessary, but it is a priceless shortcut. Many physical practices meet this expectation, but to my knowledge, none does it as well as fighting arts.

It is really important to forget the idea that fighting arts are a workout session with a warm up, a codified routine practice, a little sparring at the end, and perhaps pus-ups or abs-gluts workout to finish. It is not a Gym Club!

The practice is to be learnt with the teacher and is achieved by yourself.

Every week, every month, we face a little problem: a detail on coordination, on a physical exercise, on our connection with our body...

Everyday this relationship can go further in our intimacy to ourself, to realize how much we underestimate what we really are. Within months, if we practice daily, our body changes. In a few years, we come closer to the person we really are.

The Taoist Way of Chinese internal arts is not the best way nor the worst, it is the way I know. This road leads to a transformation on people who practice, and that, quickly and every time. So I think it's a good way, a teaching of value, anchored with deep roots.

In a world where everyone knows a little of everything about everything, where the teachings are like fast-food, where horizontal knowledge has no depth, we have to look deeper into one thing. We have to renounce patchwork practices , chakra taichi, and bring a fusion between our way and our life.

Practice, action is the Way, whereas intellectual knowledge is just one more obstacle to the liberation of the mind. We should not learn more things, read more books, attend more conferences, we just have to put some effort, some discipline and to start working.

A majority of the beginner's practices are things he already knows, and most of the time he will let you know. But if the beginner knows intellectually these practices, he has not worked on them so far, so they are of no use to him.

Think for one second about all the wonderful practices that you have met in your researches, how much do you practice every day?

Do you see what I mean?

Before sitting still to merge our soul with the stars, to make our mind travel in the subtle spheres, before connecting the power of our body with universal energies, to exchange our breath with the earth elements, to emit energy to treat diseases, we must first be able to stand still without thinking too much.

Before thinking about meditation, to the wonders of Qi Gong, we have to work. This is rarely the funniest thing, except for those who have sought for a long time and who understand that.

Again, and according to the teachings of my school, the easiest way is first to go through the fighting arts which will work on presence and fear, in order to move on to the rest after. Before touching all the subtle things, it is good to have a healthy body and a calm mind.

This is why the fighting arts are so important in our teaching, it is our tool to go and look for further things, the door opening to new horizons. That's all, but this requires honesty in practice. If we speak about fighting arts, we must understand violence. It is not possible in a practice based on rituals, a social relationship and the concern of other people's opinion. It is impossible to have belts, to compete or to dress up. We just have to relax and share with the others a simple yet hard training, and to do a daily training for ourself.

Martial arts are not really for fighting, the fighting methods based on rituals, and all these fake warrior practices allow to unwind, to have fun, or even to get stuck in a stupid violence, and they surely have their place too.

But they will rarely be of a substantial help in the discovery of ourself and in the evolution of breathing, meditative and spiritual practices. It is just a choice.

In our Tradition, we say that we need to cultivate 2 topics for actual self defense:

- Mind Intent : to Go or not Go
- Impact Power : Really Hitting Hard


And if you have time, all the rest : Speed, Stamina, Stepping....

But the Martial Arts mostly teach the rest :)
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Re: tai chi and flat earth - Joe Rogan

Postby Strange on Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:57 am

seven wrote:I think of tai chi as obsolete technology.


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Re: tai chi and flat earth - Joe Rogan

Postby RobP3 on Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:13 am

marvin8 wrote:
If the practice is a ritual, separated from everyday life, it is unlikely that it can be useful.



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Re: tai chi and flat earth - Joe Rogan

Postby willie on Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:33 am

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Whats so great about it? It sucks!
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Re: tai chi and flat earth - Joe Rogan

Postby marvin8 on Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:08 am

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Published on May 23, 2015:

cut from Joe Rogan Experience #550 with Rupert Sheldrake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME8_Qshmpy8
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Re: tai chi and flat earth - Joe Rogan

Postby willie on Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:36 pm

The best thing to do with people who are only bringing negativity to other peoples life, is to just ignore them.
So, perhaps we could move on to something productive and ignore the dark cloud that he brings to everyone's life.

Now in deep contrast, this is a guys worth watching, Just a normal happy dude who's doing it right in life. Like staying in good shape, being your own boss
Strong family values and good times with friends.
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Re: tai chi and flat earth - Joe Rogan

Postby wayne hansen on Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:42 pm

He says some good stuff here
The interesting thing is he raves on non stop without addressing what the guy says
In the end the guy comes back to what he says
My idea of hell would be stuck in a room for eternity with rogan and Russell Brand
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Re: tai chi and flat earth - Joe Rogan

Postby willie on Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:58 pm

wayne hansen wrote:My idea of hell would be stuck in a room for eternity with rogan

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Re: tai chi and flat earth - Joe Rogan

Postby marvin8 on Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:32 pm

wayne hansen wrote:He says some good stuff here
The interesting thing is he raves on non stop without addressing what the guy says
In the end the guy comes back to what he says
My idea of hell would be stuck in a room for eternity with rogan and Russell Brand

Initially, I had the same impression. However, the conversation about sense of being stared at continues in the full episode.

Starting from 156:07 to 2:35:51 (end), subjects mentioned include: Daryl Bem, Feeling the Future, https://www.wired.com/2010/11/feeling-t ... -possible/. Dean Radin, Institute of Noetic Sciences, http://noetic.org/about/what-are-noetic-sciences, telepathy experiments, pre sentiment, feeling in advance, and reading intention.

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Rupert Sheldrake is an author, lecturer, and researcher in the field of parapsychology, known for his proposed theory of morphic resonance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZklRSn92ek4&t=116m7s
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Re: tai chi and flat earth - Joe Rogan

Postby marvin8 on Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:08 pm

From Blindsided, http://www.martialviews.com/2015/09/blindsided.html
JOHN VESIA on SEPTEMBER 20, 2015 wrote:Here's a clip of Joe Rogan talking with biologist Rupert Sheldrake about threat awareness in the martial arts. Rogan lamented the ineffectiveness of certain "self-defense martial arts", quoted Musashi, and extolled the virtues of expanding human potential resulting from a lifetime pursuit in the martial arts. But he largely sidestepped Sheldrake's important question of whether someone could be trained to develop an intuitive sensitivity to threatening intent. Although not a practitioner, Sheldrake delves briefly into the aspect of threatening intent in his book The Sense of Being Stared At from the martial arts perspective. The following involves an investigation of a so-called ancient technique called to-ate — attacking someone without physical contact from a distance:

In order to rule out the possibility that the person attacked was responding to visual or other sensory clues, or to suggestion, the researchers kept an "attacker" and a "receiver" in sensory-shielded rooms, three floors apart. The "attacker" was a Chinese qigong master. They videotaped the receiver, and measured his skin resistance and his brain waves, by means of an electroencephalograph (EEG). In a series of trails, the qigong master directed to-ate at the receiver at times randomly chosen by the experimenters. In many of these trail periods the receiver visibly recorded and showed alterations in EEG and skin resistance. The results of these randomized, double-blind trails were highly significant statistically, indicating that the to-ate involved an "unknown transmission"; that is to say, a form of transmission currently unknown to science. From the point of view of the qigong master, what was being transmitted was ki or chi.


I must warn you that Sheldrake is not without controversy in the scientific community as some of his theories are held as quackery or the stuff of woo. However, the previous example was actually in reference to a 2000 study conducted by medical-imaging researcher Mikio Yamamoto at the National Institute of Radiological Sciences in Chiba, Japan.

In the past I've trained with the blindfold prop with limited success. Maybe my psi abilities are subpar. There are blind practitioners in grappling styles, such as I've posted about, but striking arts for the most part require physical sight to work. Not everyone agrees, though. Ninpo exponent Glenn Morris recounts testing for rank while blindfolded that involves avoiding a strike from behind delivered by the master wielding a shinai (light bamboo practice sword):
I crawled forward, sat on my heels in seiza [seated-kneeling position], closed my eyes and reached out with my feelings to connect. The first surprise came as I encountered "nobody home." Hatsumi [the master] was in mushin [state of no-mind] and I was in deep s---. As far as my body was concerned, no one was behind me. (There is more than one level of disappearing in this art and sometimes you don't connect things until you experience them. I had expected to be able to feel him.) I watched the white light behind my eyes and waited, saw a flicker in the phosphorous, and rolled. The sword smacked into the floor where I had been kneeling. Victory.*

The historian Donn Drager discusses the subliminal sense a medieval Japanese warrior would acquire called kan-ken futatsu no koto, a type of intuitive "seeing" that enabled him to deal with an opponent laying in ambush, or in a more practical example, "to step instantly over a log, body, or rock lying out of sight behind him in the path of his backward movement."† Draeger maintains that this skill is developed through meditation and tireless practice. I still train and even meditate. But I won't be donning a blindfold in the dojo anytime soon.

* Glenn Morris 1993. Path Notes of an American Ninja Master. North Atlantic Books.
† Donn Draeger 1973. Classical Budo. Wheatherhill, Inc.
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