taiwandeutscher wrote:C.J.W. wrote:.... (Although there are still a few stories circling around of people who mopped the floor with him in private.)....
Yes, I have heard of 2 instances, within 2 of my lineages.
ZMQ was kicked into the gutter once, after quarreling about is true/untrue discipleship under Yang Chengfu, by Wang Zihe (the guy how introduced Yang Shouzhong's short vid), from the Lü Dianchen lineage. Both were rather drunk at that time.
The other one was Xiong Yanghe, who's last and most beloved student told me, that Xiong handled ZMQ with one hand.
And I have met several TW masters of other arts, who loudly stated that they thought ZMQ didn't do anything good for MA during his time in TW.
Not judging, just reporting, of course!
In a previous post here there is a link to William Chen's biography in where he state that he and ZMQ daily practiced some sort of neigong designed to make the body to efficiently absorb strikes. So what is the full story about the gutter kick, did ZMQ double over or shrugged of that kick?.....Also did these stories flourish during his lifetime or did they come around later....I get the feel that there is a lot of " business mentality" in these stories predominantly flourishing in Asia, on one one hand there are linages that claim ZMQ taught "everything" to them but just to them, then there is the "I kicked ZMQ' butt/gutt" side