"After Zhang Qinlin arrived in Shanghai he said to Zheng (Cheng Man-Ching), "You already know taijiquan, so we are not going to work on that. Because you are so interested in push hands, we will concentrate on that."
For about three months, Zhang Laoshi lived and worked with Zheng Manqing (Cheng Man-Ching). Some people say that Zhang Laoshi stayed with Zheng Manqing (Cheng Man-Ching) for three years, but it is not true - it was about three months. So, of course, Zheng Manqing (Cheng Man-Ching) did not learn Yangjia Michuan Taijiquan. " viewtopic.php?p=391633
Champion Boxer Kuo Chin-Fong (郭琴舫) was one of the Professor’s senior students and a regular visitor to the house. He loved the soft looseness of T’ai Chi which made it easy for him to yield and followed with a quick jab. It was like the T’ai Chi story of the “Snake overpowered the Crane”.
I like his idea of practical fighting training with boxing gloves. I was very pleased that he offered his top student as my training partner. Without the Champ’s guidance and the training with his top student, it would have been difficult to win the second place in the competition in 1958.
... ~ http://www.williamccchen.com/biograph.htm
Nigel Sutton's article 1994 http://www.zhong-ding.com/index.php/articles
"The first two teachers to bring Cheng style Tai Chi to the region were Huang Hsing Hsien and Yue Shu Ting who had both come from China via Taiwan. In pro-Communist China they had both served as Guomindang officials and it was Yue who took Huang to meet Cheng Man Ching in Taiwan.
Both Yue and Huang had originally studied Shaolin arts and owed their faith in Tai Chi to having been bested by Cheng in challenges, Huang was the first to arrive and he settled in Singapore, while Yue arriving a year later, started teaching in Penang in the north.
Both teachers established their reputation not by extolling the health benefits of the art, nor by engaging in intellectual discussion, but by convincing the local martial artists that Tai Chi was a viable and effective art.
CMC bested these two guys.
Trick wrote:About ZMQ's pugilistic skill we may never know so yes it could be debatable but so could many other Gongfu masters skill also be debatable there simply aren't any really reliable records...But isn't it in Smith's "Master&Methods" book where it says that there was a planed challenge fight between ZMQ and Wan Laisheng? ...I think it's true that ZMQ did not study at length with YCF but still got the full transmission when it comes to TJQ, but Taijisword interesting that you should mention this. Was just reading some accounts of it. and maybe other weapon I guess he learned from other disciples of YCF....Some time ago I read about YeDami and that he was the initial teacher of ZMQ. YeDami's fighting skills could probably also be up for debate, as I read that when he was to open his MAschool he took help from one of Sun Lutang's sons to take care of any potential trouble makers that could show up....
More recently an article came out in a Mainland Chinese martial arts magazine about Grandmaster Cheng's taijiquan (Hai Wai He Lin 1990 but I can't remember which edition). In this article it talked about Cheng's role as the founder of his own method of taijiquan. So even in China they recognise that Cheng's style is not the same as that of the Yang family. Cheng's 37 posture form now has almost sixty years of history as this article recorded.
The article pointed out that many of Grandmaster's leading students were already experts in external martial arts. For example Huang Hsinghsian was an expert in white crane boxing. Ji Hongbing was an expert in bagua and xingyi.
The article also recounts how Cheng Man Ching had a sparring match with a French fencing expert. This Frenchman had won fencing championships. Cheng was advised not to enter such a contest because it was felt that taiji straightsword methods could not compete with western fencing. Cheng, however, insisted, he had no fear.
The first time he crossed swords with the Frenchman the Grandmaster cut his wrist. The second time he placed his sword tip on his heart and the third time he was also successful. The Frenchman was very impressed. This is all in this magazine article.
When I spoke to Huang Hsinghsian about his experiences training with Grandmaster he said that the old gentleman did not like his students using his name when they started teaching. But why was this I ask myself. Was it because so many of his students mixed in their own ideas with what the Grandmaster had taught them? Was it that none of them had really come up to his standard?
If you are really researching Grandmaster's art then your appreciation will reflect your own level of skill. Someone who is a taiji primary school student will see primary school standard, secondary school student will see secondary school level, a university student will see university level and so on. The more you learn the deeper the art gets.
wayne hansen wrote:The Nigel Sutton quote above is talking about our grandmaster yap sue ting.
If you are really researching Grandmaster's art then your appreciation will reflect your own level of skill.
Someone who is a taiji primary school student will see primary school standard, secondary school student will see secondary school level, a university student will see university level and so on.
The more you learn the deeper the art gets.
wayne hansen wrote:Chu Hong bin the head of the CMC assn in Taiwan teaches the San shou
I have video of his instructional tapes given to me by his no 1 student
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C.J.W. wrote:.... (Although there are still a few stories circling around of people who mopped the floor with him in private.)....
taiwandeutscher wrote:C.J.W. wrote:.... (Although there are still a few stories circling around of people who mopped the floor with him in private.)....
Yes, I have heard of 2 instances, within 2 of my lineages.
ZMQ was kicked into the gutter once, after quarreling about is true/untrue discipleship under Yang Chengfu, by Wang Zihe (the guy how introduced Yang Shouzhong's short vid), from the Lü Dianchen lineage. Both were rather drunk at that time.
The other one was Xiong Yanghe, who's last and most beloved student told me, that Xiong handled ZMQ with one hand.
And I have met several TW masters of other arts, who loudly stated that they thought ZMQ didn't do anything good for MA during his time in TW.
Not judging, just reporting, of course!
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