Dmitri wrote:Y'all don't know squat about "internal"!
But seriously, before agreeing on what "internal squat" means, perhaps people should first agree on what "internal" means.
Good luck with that. Not really true, what is "internal" is and has been quite clearly defined by the culture who's practices
this site is dedicated to. Problems arise when people either don't know, or question it trying to redefine it. I find its better to use another way of
looking at it as much as possible, one based on physics.
Interesting subject btw...
One of my students here a "Professor of Power Mechanical Engineering. .
His back ground both in taiji and western physics, along with having a native chinese perspective has been invaluable in comparing old taiji text with modern physics theories aligning them with both. Translating both into basic examples that none physicist can understand and chinese readers can read.
For 90% of the work we use physics to describe whats thought to be going on testing the theories refining the practice or discarding one theory over another as needed when either its proven not be quite correct or a better often simpler one is more useful
windwalker, your clip of the squat next to/facing the wall, is that supposed to be "internal"? What makes it so?
northerndevotee wrote:Well if you beginners want more than letters on a screen...good. Best way to learn. Don't yap about it do it.
windwalker wrote:Try it?
...for most would not be possible to do with out some in depth training.
what is "internal" is and has been quite clearly defined by the culture who's practices
this site is dedicated to. Problems arise when people either don't know, or question it trying to redefine it.
Dmitri wrote:windwalker wrote:Try it?
I did, way back when you first posted it here (a few years back I think?) and was able to do it after a couple of tries, without having ever practiced anything similar to it. Kudos for trying it....your saying that you can do this with your nose, knees and toes touching the wall maintaining contact all the way down? just to be clear. Did you feel it was useful or the ability allowed for a difference in your work...for most would not be possible to do with out some in depth training.
I'm fairly confident that any good yoga practitioner or gymnast or a dancer would be able to do it quite easily. That's why I was curious about what specifically made it "internal"...I am not. IME most people to include the ones you've mentioned that I've met could not.
As to internal one could listen to the video,
or come to some type of understanding that ones center of gravity has to change to allowing one to do it.what is "internal" is and has been quite clearly defined by the culture who's practices
this site is dedicated to. Problems arise when people either don't know, or question it trying to redefine it.
I'd love for it to be this simple, but if history of discussions about it, and the size of BTDT section, are any indicator, -- it is not (this simple).
windwalker wrote:your saying that you can do this with your nose, knees and toes touching the wall maintaining contact all the way down? just to be clear. Did you feel it was useful or the ability allowed for a difference in your work
ones center of gravity has to change to allowing one to do it.
Dmitri wrote:Wow... Don't believe that's possible to any discernable/practical degree. Do your references to "physics" when defining "internal" involve ability to noticeably manipulate, physically, your actual center of gravity?!
The centre of gravity (COG) of the human body is a hypothetical point around which the force of gravity appears to act. It is point at which the combined mass of the body appears to be concentrated. Because it is a hypothetical point, the COG need not lie within the physical bounds of an object or person. One subjective way (there are objective measures) to approximate the COG of an object is to visualise it balancing on one finger.
Centre of gravity in the human body
In the anatomical position, the COG lies approximately anterior to the second sacral vertebra. However, since human beings do not remain fixed in the anatomical position, the precise location of the COG changes constantly with every new position of the body and limbs. The bodily proportions of the individual will also affect the location of the COG.
windwalker wrote:The centre of gravity (COG) of the human body is a hypothetical point around which the force of gravity appears to act.
Dmitri wrote:windwalker wrote:The centre of gravity (COG) of the human body is a hypothetical point around which the force of gravity appears to act.
Sorry, that's just silly. It's not hypothetical in the slightest, it's just hard to pinpoint with perfect precision at any point in time because we have so much liquid(y things) in our bodies.I should have included the url https://www.physio-pedia.com/Centre_of_Gravity
It does fluctuate, but the amount of that change/the range of its movement is negligible,if one intended to use it for any actual/physical application, especially for such fairly "mechanically-crude" scenarios as stand-up grappling.
since human beings do not remain fixed in a position (Why? Cuz they need to move! after all in words of Socrates “Man is a social animal”)so their center of gravity keeps on changing.https://www.quora.com/What-part-is-the- ... n-our-body
Center of Gravity Outside the Body
Another consideration is that COG does not have to be a part of the body. Many exercises and movements cause the body’s COG to become displaced outside of the body. This would create an increase in the lever arm of the resistance force. Proper lifting mechanics are simply a means of decreasing this lever arm as much as possible. As seen the figure below, bending forward at the hip causes the COG to actually fall outside of the human body.http://www.aaronswansonpt.com/basic-bio ... s-gravity/
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