TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

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TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby marvin8 on Wed May 23, 2018 11:56 pm

DAN DAN - ASIAN GUY
Published on May 23, 2018

Taichi master vs mma once again !!!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkofugfZPU4

Same video, but somewhat more clear.

Monkey Steals Peach - Martial Arts & Travel through China and Asia
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Another Taiji guy gets KOed, this guy by the name of Zhu Chunping runs a Taiji school in Shanghai, the challenger had done a year of MMA:
https://www.facebook.com/monkeystealspe ... 4MTYzMDIz/
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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby windwalker on Thu May 24, 2018 1:38 am

what makes the taiji guy a master of taiji, instead of just a taiji guy, like mma guy is listed as an "mma fighter"

being a taiji "master" does not mean or confer that one is a "fighter"
Maybe the taiji "guy" should have opted for push hands first...
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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby wayne hansen on Thu May 24, 2018 1:48 am

It interesting I can't find anything about this guy on line
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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby Trick on Thu May 24, 2018 2:06 am

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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby Trick on Thu May 24, 2018 2:20 am

This came up, have not read through it, maybe he's affiliated with this school? http://www.sensetaiji.com/index.php?pna ... ail&id=123
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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby GrahamB on Thu May 24, 2018 2:28 am

A human fought another human and a human won! Amazing!

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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby Trick on Thu May 24, 2018 3:11 am

The betting industry would crash if we all thought like that :)
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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby middleway on Thu May 24, 2018 3:35 am

Everyone will keep saying 'This isnt tai chi ... this guy isnt a master etc'

Until a tai chi guy wins ... then it will be Tai Chi! Wonder if we will ever see the day!
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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby Trick on Thu May 24, 2018 4:27 am

He he, and then it will be only that style of Taiji that could do it
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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby windwalker on Thu May 24, 2018 6:09 am

middleway wrote:Everyone will keep saying 'This isnt tai chi ... this guy isnt a master etc'

Until a tai chi guy wins ... then it will be Tai Chi! Wonder if we will ever see the day!


Not really true, historicaly when they did fight and win....YLC remarked about one of his son's winning a match
and not really using taiji....

If we ever see the day?

Seems like an odd attitude to have about an art that many here say they practice some even teach.
Either it works or it doesn't.

I don't quite get posting the fails of people who claim to be taiji masters getting killed by mma guys or what ever.
Why they are called masters or what this means is not really qualified, how can they be held up as representative of
a method or style..

To Date, there are very few unmodified CMA styles that compete and win.
One example of a style that competes and wins....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j3Fp3w ... e=youtu.be
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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby middleway on Thu May 24, 2018 7:11 am

If we ever see the day?

Seems like an odd attitude to have about an art that many here say they practice some even teach.
Either it works or it doesn't.


Ok maybe i should be more specific. If we ever see the day a claimed 'Tai chi fighter' wins one of these types of NHB matches.

Not really true, historicaly when they did fight and win....YLC remarked about one of his son's winning a match
and not really using taiji....


So if YLC's own son doesnt live up to the definition then what chance do others have?

I don't quite get posting the fails of people who claim to be taiji masters getting killed by mma guys or what ever.
Why they are called masters or what this means is not really qualified, how can they be held up as representative of
a method or style..


The value of posting these things is not for the experienced exponent like yourself, or many of the people on the board. However, there are ALOT of delusional people in the CIMA when it comes to fighting skill (normally they will talk about rules, format etc until their favoured style wins something), even on this board. Videos like this help to begin to break the shell of delusion a little and make them investigate and probe their personal practice a little.

Note i am not saying ALL tai chi people suffer from this. There are Tai Chi exponenets I have met who i class as the very top teir of Martial artists i have been in contact with ... however, they ultimately represent the most minute fraction of the participants that they hardly register. So should a method be judged by the Elite members of its participants or the general level of the group as a whole? IMO the latter would point to the potential of the training method, and the former the potential of the individual ... becasue you are not that individual, their personal achievement is irrelevant. But the method they used IS relevant ... can it reliably produce fighting skill. IMO the unfortunate answer in the case of the vaste majority of Taichi (note = not all) is no ... it cannot.

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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby marvin8 on Thu May 24, 2018 7:47 am

Article includes a larger gif of KO.

Excerpt from "Cao He" Wudang wave in China after losing face MMA boxer," http://ttvn.vn/doi-song/cao-thu-vo-dang ... 145110.htm:
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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby GrahamB on Thu May 24, 2018 8:02 am

To be fair, I did see a couple of Tai Chi techniques there before he hit the deck...

Separate left and right kick
High pat on horse....


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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby Trick on Thu May 24, 2018 8:16 am

Is that a brush knee twist step from the shorts guy....he might have cross trained in Taiji
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Re: TAI CHI MASTER VS MMA FIGHTER ! AGAIN !!

Postby roger hao on Thu May 24, 2018 8:49 am

Seems like the kick was monkey retreats - he should have added in the hands instead of grabbing the rope.
That kick was slow and more of a push.
What kind of match has one guy in fight gear and the other in taichi outfit and bare handed?
This just looks like a MMA promotion.
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