origami_itto wrote:Don't Chen folks routinely practice silk reeling exercises? Positive and negative circles?
D_Glenn wrote:They do, but per CXW advice, they shouldn’t be. He said he regrets ever teaching them because he wasn’t aware how people exaggerated their importance. Thinking it was the golden treasure. When in actuality it’s just Fool’s gold and the real treasure is in the form.
D_Glenn wrote:In reality though Silk Reeling isn’t a foundational exercise.
origami_itto wrote:I think the usual idea for foundation exercises like this is to focus on one thing at a time, which is easier for a student. Refine that to a high degree, THEN put it together in a form with all the other medicine.
D_Glenn wrote:The bigger question is- do those movements have a valid martial application? If they do, good. If they don’t, then why are they being practiced.
origami_itto wrote:Don't Chen folks routinely practice silk reeling exercises? Positive and negative circles?
Appledog wrote:origami_itto wrote:Don't Chen folks routinely practice silk reeling exercises? Positive and negative circles?
Yes and no. It's a bit of a meta issue. If you are interested we can explore this. The CXW comment would also be interesting to analyze. One request though. I don't get the music video thing, so I would personally prefer if you didn't post them on the thread, because I don't understand. Or please explain what you mean by posting them.
origami_itto wrote:Appledog wrote:origami_itto wrote:Don't Chen folks routinely practice silk reeling exercises? Positive and negative circles?
Yes and no. It's a bit of a meta issue. If you are interested we can explore this. The CXW comment would also be interesting to analyze. One request though. I don't get the music video thing, so I would personally prefer if you didn't post them on the thread, because I don't understand. Or please explain what you mean by posting them.
Get it? Just responding to BruceP's "Fake it till you make it" with "Act like you know" sort of a synonymous sentiment.
Sure let's talk about silk reeling.
The overarching thread here is to show D_Glenn how he's contradicting himself there, not to be jerks about it, but more for self awareness.
The "single posture practice" is just a less formalized set of "supplementary qigong exercises", innit?
The difference being the qigong exercises are potentially tweaked for more potent effect.
Appledog wrote:
Anyways, I like your observations about silk reeling. It seems as if CXW, Feng, and a number of others have created silk reeling exercises, despite it being well-known that you don't really need to do them. I would ask, why don't you really need to do them, and if so, why then are they taught? Why the need to isolate it and create this framework of "silk reeling sets" or set exercises for it?
Second, there has been a running theme recently among several posters where people say that if a movement does not have a direct martial effect, or is not done in a "neigong" way, it is not useful. So I like what you said about tweaking for potency. What reasons could there be for practicing a move or a technique isolated from a more "resistive" situation? Also, what exactly are, if any, the martial applications of silk reeling? I can think of quite a few, such as monk ropes a tiger.
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