Steve James wrote: Very cool if you're facing one opponent. Probably not good in a melee against armored opponents.
wayne hansen wrote:The jian has 3 levels of shaprness but none of it is unsharpened
Even if it was the ability to grab one part in combat is just silly
The whole idea of the jian is elusiveness it is related to the dragon for a reason
Try handling a snake in summer that dosent want to be picked up
Once again it is a case of those that don’t know quoting others that don’t know
wayne hansen wrote:Just the fact u mention leverage shows you don’t understand the jian
Do you even practice if so for how long and who taught you
Giles wrote:I didn't see your last posting, wrote this before...
In this case I would agree with Wayne, in the sense that 'leverage' is much less of a thing with the jian. Of course, it depends how you define leverage and it will always be there in some way. It will turn up to some extent in CMC-style sticky swords and in sword sparring, but usually the less the better. If the other guy doesn't watch out, you may seize/control his hand for a moment and slice and get out again or even disarm before he can recover. However, if you post an image of a half-swording guy in full harness, Origami, then that's a very different kind of 'leverage': willingly closing to grapple and using lots of explicit leverage to get the point of your sword into the cracks and weak points of the armour. Here, any kind of slicing, cutting of tendons, muscles, blood vessels etc. is not going to happen, period. And the sword itself, probably an arming sword, has to be much stiffer and more robust than a typical jian. When it comes to the jian, when held in one hand it would be almost a fluke if it were to find and penetrate an armour gap even point-first. And if you just look at any established jian form, you see the jian really is more of the 'water' element, flowing around resistance - half-swording doesn't put in an appearance. The great majority of techniques in the jian form would never work against someone in full armour - to me it seems more of a 'civilian' weapon, but I'm open to correction on that point.
wayne hansen wrote:So basically you are telling people how to practice something you don’t practice
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