Chengshi baguazhang with fajin

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Re: Chengshi baguazhang with fajin

Postby shawnsegler on Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:06 pm

Is this the guy who's like the only person I've ever seen use deerhooks like he could use them? Looks like the same guy.

Beautiful stuff.

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Re: Chengshi baguazhang with fajin

Postby Brady on Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:52 pm

Amazing. Any chance of linking to the other vids? Wheres this guy located?
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Re: Chengshi baguazhang with fajin

Postby shawnsegler on Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:45 pm

Here you go, Brady. Check this out. He looks like he would fuck someone up with these things, fo sho!

It really is the only clip I've ever seen of anyone with these kind of weapons that really looked like he could use them. Not flashy, just real close in and deadly. Fluidly jabbing and tearing and moving the weapons with his body mass behind them. Ruthless.

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Re: Chengshi baguazhang with fajin

Postby Briggy on Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:45 am

The vids of this guy are awesome. I have learned a lot from watching them. His small circles are fantastic. And, no ghay silk outfit, that is a plus ;D

Thanks for the reminder.
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Re: Chengshi baguazhang with fajin

Postby oskar on Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:48 am

Nice, i liked this one. Thanks.
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Re: Chengshi baguazhang with fajin

Postby mrtoes on Fri Jun 05, 2009 9:07 am

This guy again! Awesome! :D
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Re: Chengshi baguazhang with fajin

Postby somatai on Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:34 am

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Re: Chengshi baguazhang with fajin

Postby Brady on Fri Jun 05, 2009 3:10 pm

thanks shawn! this guys just fun to watch
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Re: Chengshi baguazhang with fajin

Postby tai yang on Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:27 pm

besides stating the obvious (this guy is very good) i wanted to know ( and this sounds stupid? maybe crazy?) do you know who wrote the music thats playing in this video?
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Re: Chengshi baguazhang with fajin

Postby Chanchu on Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:38 pm

This old gent is great nice knives!
Anyone know who he is?
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Re: Chengshi baguazhang with fajin

Postby meeks on Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:44 pm

first video looked like a xing yi guy attempting to emulate bagua forms. the title was 'cheng 8 major palm' but it was all xing yi to me, especially when he did a strike. don't even get me started on stepping. I'm sure he's put many many years into his CMA, and his flexibility shows at some points. But definitely not a 'cheng' thing going on there.
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Re: Chengshi baguazhang with fajin

Postby D_Glenn on Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:14 pm

This is what Cheng style bagua should be, it's not blended with xingyi at all. He's using the 'han li' (containing force) of the 'long xing' and he's really developed the 'ban' (moving strike) in his hand posture which is pulling back the palms. He's using the 'long xing's' unique aspect of baguazhang- the 'liang shou' (double-handed tactics). His movement's fit the song:

四德八能四情
四德者,顺逆和化。四者,即拳中合宜之理也。顺者,手足顺其自然往前伸也;逆者,气力往回缩也;和者,气力中正无乖也;化者,化其后天之气力归于丹田而返真阳也。
八能者,乃搬拦截扣,推托带领。八者,即拳中之性也。搬者,搬敌人之手足肩胯是也;拦者,拦敌人之手足如研肘是也;截者,突住敌人之手足胳膊腿是也;扣者,扣敌人之两手并胸小腹是也;推者,推敌人之两手并身,其中有单手推者,有双手推者(即双撞掌也)是也;托者,托敌人之两手,有平托者,有望高托者是也;带者,敌人抓住我手,极力往回带,或挂敌人之手皆是也;领者,领敌人之身,或敌人之两手,往左右领去,或往上领,或往下领,即使敌人不得中正之劲也

And correlate with the 'ba neng' (8 methods) of Cheng style.


From the description he's 4th generation Cheng style, name- Yang Fuyu 杨福玉 of Hebei.

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Re: Chengshi baguazhang with fajin

Postby D_Glenn on Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:27 pm

Here's his brother - 4th generation practitioner Yang Fuqi 杨福奇:





and basic postures and changes





It's good to see the real stuff instead of all the flowery B.S. that passes for Cheng style.


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Re: Chengshi baguazhang with fajin

Postby Chanchu on Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:00 pm

Looks quite good to me-
where do they teach at anyone know?
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Re: Chengshi baguazhang with fajin

Postby Mephisto on Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:05 am

The guy's good, that's for sure. Some oldschool gongfu going on there.
However, from my (albeit limited) exposure to two branches of Cheng style, I'd have to go with meeks on this one. I wouldn't go so far as to say the guy is just mimicking bagua, but his power generation does not fit my understanding of Cheng style. In both branches I've been exposed to, even "explosive" power is delivered through continuous movement.
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