Some Song Xingyi

[Josealb]

Just some nice and short Ji Xing, done in a relaxed manner.

[somatai]

sweet

[xinyidao2008]

Very good rooster form!

Rooster forms demonstrated by others for comparison:

[NoSword]

Allow me to add a few.

[Josealb]

Cool. A Ji Xing thread.

[NoSword]

Almost forgot

[nianfong]

yayy chickens!!
good stuff guys

[Andy_S]

Killer chickens, eh?

Seems to me that Shanxi HsingI peeps characteristically use much more of a ballistic energy release - you can see a visible recoil force in all their strikes - than the Hebei peeps, who seem to simply step and stick the hand out there. Is this the case or it is just personal? From a Chen Taiji perspective, the Shanxi style uses a more recognizable (to me) fajing.

[edededed]

This is true! Shanxi tends to be more overt while Hebei tends to be more subtle in terms of movement; the same can be said for Chen style taijiquan vs. Yang style taijiquan. The bad thing about the latter is that often, people lose the subtlety and end up with just nothing ("sticking the hand out").

[lazyboxer]

Seems to me that Shanxi HsingI peeps characteristically use much more of a ballistic energy release - you can see a visible recoil force in all their strikes - than the Hebei peeps, who seem to simply step and stick the hand out there. Is this the case or it is just personal? From a Chen Taiji perspective, the Shanxi style uses a more recognizable (to me) fajing.

This is true! Shanxi tends to be more overt while Hebei tends to be more subtle in terms of movement; the same can be said for Chen style taijiquan vs. Yang style taijiquan. The bad thing about the latter is that often, people lose the subtlety and end up with just nothing ("sticking the hand out").

Not true - here's Deng Fuxing's disciple Wang Senlin doing his Hebei xingyquan:



Hebei xingyi practise usually begins using ming jin, obvious force, with lots of noisy stamping - it adds the subtle refined force later.

At the risk of re-igniting the age-old and by now very boring internet debate about the non-existent Great Shanxi-Hebei Divide, few of the above clips had anything to do with Shanxi style, let alone Song family - in fact the last one (from Youku) was bajiquan

(What say u, Jose? )

[Josealb]

Wang is the man..and it did look like Baji to me, when he was punching more sideways than usual.

[cdobe]

Just some nice and short Ji Xing, done in a relaxed manner.

How do you call the step, where he lifts his legs high (chicken ? crane ?)
And what's the theory of it in Xingyi? (development-wise)

This is not a critical question. I'm asking because a very similar step is used in my Taiji. Would be interesting to compare.

TIA
CD

[NoSword]

in fact the last one (from Youku) was bajiquan

I was wondering about that myself. One of the comments at the bottom states that it's Ji Xing, and there are certainly movements which are familiar to me from that form. I was thinking it might be from an unfamiliar style/lineage. Then again, I don't know beans about Bajiquan.

At any rate, it's a kick ass form.

[Wanderingdragon]

Song,Shanxi or Hebei?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2Aar_8E ... re=related

[lazyboxer]

in fact the last one (from Youku) was bajiquan

I was wondering about that myself. One of the comments at the bottom states that it's Ji Xing, and there are certainly movements which are familiar to me from that form. I was thinking it might be from an unfamiliar style/lineage. Then again, I don't know beans about Bajiquan.

The jixing comment is from another clueless youtube expert (sorry, but it's true) - the caption clearly states "系統不明　八極拳　金剛八式？", which roughly translates as "Is this bajiquan's jingangbashi?"

Which it is, although not done very well. It's almost identical to Shaolin's Jingang Bashi (Eight Diamond Arhat Methods) from Taizuquan.

Song,Shanxi or Hebei?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2Aar_8EeV8

None of the above - just something someone invented. One of the youtube wags introduces the thorny issue of Shaolin xinyiba into the youtube sturm und drang, no doubt due to the demonstrator's funky threads. Thereon hangs yet another tale.