what do you think of what this guy has to say?

[D_Glenn]

Hrrmmmm....I have a vastly different story than that so, I'll just say take it with a grain of salt.

He didn't want to teach these people the martial material of bagua that he held close to his heart as they weren't fighters so he instead taught them Lohan Quan but a version that was highly modified (if they saw the same art he was teaching them outside of the palace he would've lost his head) and with a primary goal of increasing health which was practiced in accordance to the eight trigrams and the eight movements of qi in the body

Yeah it should be clarified that what was taught to the imperial family was never passed down because they never had students, all we know is what official students like GBT passed down so what that exactly is would be inside GBT lineages. Also factor in that what DHC taught to his official students didn't have to be disguised as something else so you could have another set of lohan forms that could be completely different then what was taught inside the palace.


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[D_Glenn]

Dear D_Glenn!

When you write

He is trying to explain is that

, you mean this is what master He is trying to explain here? It is shocking! I think my English is too bad for this kind of deep understanding...

Örs

I was only commenting on what He said on another forum, watching the video it's difficult to know what he's talking about.

The most accurate information on Bagua and how it relates to health is in Sun Lu Tang's book although it's difficult to decipher without key parts, in it there are 3 postures/movements for each trigram which come from the 64 daoyin, although everything actually starts to work out in 3's x 3 basins etc. These postures and qigong/ exercise type movements have 2 different connections to the organs- 1 from the 8 trigram relationship and the other from the 5 elements inside of the 8 trigrams like Qian is lungs (5 element) and heart. Dui trigram is also lung (5 element). There are different ways these relate from the physical posture to the corresponding organ and trigram- the easiest way to understand is the location of the meridian in the arm whether the shape of the arm is opening that meridian, using the muscles on the same side of the arm as the meridian, and more importantly the ending points of the meridians and whether its promoting the natural flow to the next in the sequence etc. There are also differences in the overall effect on the body like the Xun trigram movements use a relaxed whipping through the arms using centrifugal force to move blood to the extremities, while the Qian trigram uses strength to move the blood, and the Zhen trigram uses the internal aspect of the liver's function of moving the blood-- hence we have these guidelines in Sun's book: "If the Xun trigram is practiced correctly the internal 'true qi' will be extend out to the four limbs and enter the 100 bones of the body. If studied very carefully and meticulously the body's movements will move like the wind wheel, turning and linking leaving no gaps in its form. If this style is practiced incorrectly the primary qi will not spread through the whole body."

"The Qian trigram must extend both arms out with great force. The 'qi' must be full and be throughout from inside to outside and from top to bottom. It uses the 3 linkings (feet, waist, hands) in its form and the 3 alignments (tip of hands, tip nose, tip of feet) in its shape, which comes from the 3 solid lines of the Qian trigram. The fists move with and follow the movement of the body, allowing the blood to flow freely. This allows the 'qi li' (strength) to increase many times over."

"In the Zhen trigram style the outside is still and the inside is moving. The 'Shujing' Book of History says: stillness contains movement inside its form. The one solid 'yang' line on the bottom of the zhen trigram represents the beginning of movement. If this style is practiced correctly the energy in the liver will be calm and harmonious. If practiced incorrectly the liver's energy will strive to flourish. The student should make every effort to harmonize the liver's energy and not let it invade upward into the eyes."


Practice, explore, read, and study.

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[Doc Stier]

The most accurate information on Bagua and how it relates to health is in Sun Lu Tang's book although it's difficult to decipher without key parts, in it there are 3 postures/movements for each trigram which come from the 64 daoyin, although everything actually starts to work out in 3's x 3 basins etc. These postures and qigong/ exercise type movements have 2 different connections to the organs- 1 from the 8 trigram relationship and the other from the 5 elements inside of the 8 trigrams like Qian is lungs (5 element) and heart. Dui trigram is also lung (5 element). There are different ways these relate from the physical posture to the corresponding organ and trigram- the easiest way to understand is the location of the meridian in the arm whether the shape of the arm is opening that meridian, using the muscles on the same side of the arm as the meridian, and more importantly the ending points of the meridians and whether its promoting the natural flow to the next in the sequence etc. There are also differences in the overall effect on the body like the Xun trigram movements use a relaxed whipping through the arms using centrifugal force to move blood to the extremities, while the Qian trigram uses strength to move the blood, and the Zhen trigram uses the internal aspect of the liver's function of moving the blood-- hence we have these guidelines in Sun's book: "If the Xun trigram is practiced correctly the internal 'true qi' will be extend out to the four limbs and enter the 100 bones of the body. If studied very carefully and meticulously the body's movements will move like the wind wheel, turning and linking leaving no gaps in its form. If this style is practiced incorrectly the primary qi will not spread through the whole body."

"The Qian trigram must extend both arms out with great force. The 'qi' must be full and be throughout from inside to outside and from top to bottom. It uses the 3 linkings (feet, waist, hands) in its form and the 3 alignments (tip of hands, tip nose, tip of feet) in its shape, which comes from the 3 solid lines of the Qian trigram. The fists move with and follow the movement of the body, allowing the blood to flow freely. This allows the 'qi li' (strength) to increase many times over."

"In the Zhen trigram style the outside is still and the inside is moving. The 'Shujing' Book of History says: stillness contains movement inside its form. The one solid 'yang' line on the bottom of the zhen trigram represents the beginning of movement. If this style is practiced correctly the energy in the liver will be calm and harmonious. If practiced incorrectly the liver's energy will strive to flourish. The student should make every effort to harmonize the liver's energy and not let it invade upward into the eyes."


Practice, explore, read, and study.

Right on target, man. Now you're talking my language. I find Master Sun's writing on Pa-Kua Chuan to be filled with much more clarity and practical wisdom.

[Bob]

For a more accurate explanation regarding the GBT transmission, one can go to the "other white meat", forum, i.e. Emptyflower and check out their discussion:

http://www.emptyflower.net/forums/index ... topic=7536

[shawnsegler]

Watch out. Hotlinking to .net will increase their daily hits today by a factor of a 100 or so.

Don't want to fry their circuitbreaker or whatever.

S