Aikido Sankyo Hook Punch Defense

[emptycloud]

I would say that aikdo can be split into two things, flow practice and applied, what we see in the clip is in the flow practice area, applied aikido would employ atemi strikes to any numerous parts of the body first, and if a technique should arise after that then all the better if not, more strikes, trips etc, however that is no longer aikido. It is always worth remembering that aikdo is not a martial art however as a bi-product martial ability of quite a high level is possible. The fact that it is practiced as a martial art is evidence that the founders idea has failed, not every where but in general. (it never made sense anyway)

[Tiga Pukul]

Hmm try this technique against a boxer and you get you *ss handed over..
The hook is not really a tight hook so it leaves the defender for plenty of space to come in. But still, like others said, why would you almost give your back and don't check the right hand? Afterwards the defender completely gives his back to his opponent whilst grabbing the wrist...hmmm sadly I don't see a lot which is good in this...

[wiesiek]

complety unrealistic, as most of aikido open teachings,

simply why do not to go with punch, straight into nose?
i mean ,
this is circular attack - best way to deal with it is sraight line,
or if you like to train 'stick and follow"
i can think of 2 or 3 throws
which can be easly done after first contact /JW favorite hip throw, for ex. /
not to mention elbows...

i don`t buy this "learning leverage" things
learning "how to" by unrealistic manner leads into disaster in real combat

[emptycloud]

I shall now scream this at the top of my lungs," AIKIDO IS NOT AND WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE A MARTIAL ART....THAT IS WHY IT DOESNT WORK, ITS NOT MEANT TO WORK AS A MARTIAL ART....MORIHEI THE FOUNDER WAS ON A SPIRITUAL QUEST AND FOR BETTER OR WORSE AIKIDO WAS THE PRODUCT OF THAT QUEST. ALL HE KNEW WAS MARTIAL ARTS SO THAT IS HOW HE GAVE FORM TO HIS SPIRITUAL QUEST, IF HE'D BEEN A PIANO PLAYER IT WOULD OF BEEN MUSIC...GET MY DRIFT...HE COULD ALREADY KILL A MAN IN TEN DIFFERENT WAYS BEFORE HE HAD THE VISION OF AIKIDO...HE WAS TRYING TO TURN THE WHOLE MARTIAL THING AROUND...MOVE IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF VIOLENCE...BUT FOR BETTER OR WORSE IT WAS A CRAZY IDEA... BUT MARTIAL ARTS IS ALL HE KNEW HE COULDN'T EXPRESS HIS VISION OF PEACE IN ANY OTHER WAY.. EVEN JAPANESE TEACHERS DON'T HAVE A CLUE AS TO WHAT HE WAS GOING ON ABOUT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MAKE LOGICAL SENSE...SO FORGET TRYING TO WORK OUT IF AIKIDO IS EFFECTIVE AS A MARTIAL ART ...YOUR MISSING THE POINT BIG TIME"...there i feel better now

[GrahamB]

But... is it effective as a spiritual quest?

[emptycloud]

But... is it effective as a spiritual quest?

Aikido is an oddity, spirituality is a highly personalized process so i couldn't comment on that.

[GrahamB]

[bartekb]

AIKIDO IS NOT AND WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE A MARTIAL ART...

I know one yoshinkan guy, in States now, sometimes we speak on the phone, last time I mentioned something along this lines to him - as its a fairly popular concept among some of the aikidokas in Poland - we had some good few minutes of laughter:)

1. EVEN IF aikido is not a martial art but a spiritual development thing (actually I think everything is as every action changes you) this spiritual development is built upon a foundation of martial art - so if the foundation is shit the development will also be.

2. Morihei taught different things in different periods of time to different students - so the trick is not to look at the end result but at the path. And along the path the guy was one scary martial arts motherfucker - producing students like Gozo Shioda - who ie. said - in fight 70% is atemi:) So I think one should follow that path not mimic the end result.

[Ron Panunto]

I shall now scream this at the top of my lungs," AIKIDO IS NOT AND WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE A MARTIAL ART....THAT IS WHY IT DOESNT WORK, ITS NOT MEANT TO WORK AS A MARTIAL ART....MORIHEI THE FOUNDER WAS ON A SPIRITUAL QUEST AND FOR BETTER OR WORSE AIKIDO WAS THE PRODUCT OF THAT QUEST. ALL HE KNEW WAS MARTIAL ARTS SO THAT IS HOW HE GAVE FORM TO HIS SPIRITUAL QUEST, IF HE'D BEEN A PIANO PLAYER IT WOULD OF BEEN MUSIC...GET MY DRIFT...HE COULD ALREADY KILL A MAN IN TEN DIFFERENT WAYS BEFORE HE HAD THE VISION OF AIKIDO...HE WAS TRYING TO TURN THE WHOLE MARTIAL THING AROUND...MOVE IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF VIOLENCE...BUT FOR BETTER OR WORSE IT WAS A CRAZY IDEA... BUT MARTIAL ARTS IS ALL HE KNEW HE COULDN'T EXPRESS HIS VISION OF PEACE IN ANY OTHER WAY.. EVEN JAPANESE TEACHERS DON'T HAVE A CLUE AS TO WHAT HE WAS GOING ON ABOUT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MAKE LOGICAL SENSE...SO FORGET TRYING TO WORK OUT IF AIKIDO IS EFFECTIVE AS A MARTIAL ART ...YOUR MISSING THE POINT BIG TIME"...there i feel better now

Don't tell that to Steven Segal

[DeusTrismegistus]

I could see that app working against a very big wild drunken haymaker but thats about it.

[yeniseri]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NitLZwRr5Ok



Interesting technique, but what do you think? Could you ever do this in real life without the co-operation of your partner?

There are many techniques that aikido and baquazhang and taijiquan share and this is one that can work! Obviously the skill of the opponent is a main factor. Fair lady, fan through back and brush knee complements the above and depending on how you want to deal with the opponent, whether break his forearm, elbow, wrist coupled with the brutality of the onslaught that continued the encounter!

Concerning aikido as a martial art, it always has been! Post WW2 de-martialization of all systems (external manifestation) to fit a PE curriculum has been in force since then and many people are accustomed to that said post WW2 era.

[jpaton]

There are many techniques that aikido and baquazhang and taijiquan share and this is one that can work! Obviously the skill of the opponent is a main factor. Fair lady, fan through back and brush knee complements the above and depending on how you want to deal with the opponent, whether break his forearm, elbow, wrist coupled with the brutality of the onslaught that continued the encounter!

overly complex is overly complex. it doesn't make a difference what art. both fair lady and brush knee have simple working uses that depend on basic principles not a complaint partner.

the reason the hook work is because there simple and quick. the reason apps like this don't work is because the complex and slow.

[dtactics]

I shall now scream this at the top of my lungs," AIKIDO IS NOT AND WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE A MARTIAL ART....THAT IS WHY IT DOESNT WORK, ITS NOT MEANT TO WORK AS A MARTIAL ART....MORIHEI THE FOUNDER WAS ON A SPIRITUAL QUEST AND FOR BETTER OR WORSE AIKIDO WAS THE PRODUCT OF THAT QUEST. ALL HE KNEW WAS MARTIAL ARTS SO THAT IS HOW HE GAVE FORM TO HIS SPIRITUAL QUEST, IF HE'D BEEN A PIANO PLAYER IT WOULD OF BEEN MUSIC...GET MY DRIFT...HE COULD ALREADY KILL A MAN IN TEN DIFFERENT WAYS BEFORE HE HAD THE VISION OF AIKIDO...HE WAS TRYING TO TURN THE WHOLE MARTIAL THING AROUND...MOVE IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF VIOLENCE...BUT FOR BETTER OR WORSE IT WAS A CRAZY IDEA... BUT MARTIAL ARTS IS ALL HE KNEW HE COULDN'T EXPRESS HIS VISION OF PEACE IN ANY OTHER WAY.. EVEN JAPANESE TEACHERS DON'T HAVE A CLUE AS TO WHAT HE WAS GOING ON ABOUT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MAKE LOGICAL SENSE...SO FORGET TRYING TO WORK OUT IF AIKIDO IS EFFECTIVE AS A MARTIAL ART ...YOUR MISSING THE POINT BIG TIME"...there i feel better now

Don't tell that to Steven Segal

Brilliant Emptycloud! I've been screaming the same thing forever now and I'd say it to Steven Seagal anyday. His bodyguard was little Randy Williams (Wing Chun) which speaks to his faith in his uchi-dechis. Randy probably taught him more about fighting then all his years dancing/doing Aikido.

[dtactics]

I could see that app working against a very big wild drunken haymaker but thats about it.

Yup, Aikido guys are taught the same thing. Go find a drunk and sankyo pin his ass once he's passed out... be sure to keep your back straight and three palms up!

[Alexander]

Depends on a lot of things... but I would've probably caught him in the jaw with my right cross coming.