training with weapons in mind (military/simulation)

[Ian]

awesome. I want one of those!

although I'm not entirely convinced of this idea of using bjj for cqb.

[yeniseri]

Excellent Pavlovian conditioning tool!
Not unlike training mice, etc in avoiding certain objetes/obstacles.

[Areios]

nice training there.

[Chanchu]

Good clip don't agee that all H2H combat n the sandbox will go to the ground- do agree that many are armed with knives may very well have to face that, in my area there are alot of military people who have deployed mostly AF used to make it a point to ask them what they needed to have that they did not get before they went O/S. Anser 1.) more firing range time more realistic firearms training 2.) H2H combat training of sometype- cannot alway just pull a trigger.

[Areios]

they state that every fight is about to controll and in very close distante. And I can see it in front of me that a heavily packed marin is having a hard time to staye on his feet. Specialy if he's not trained in the clinch game. --->it doesn't mean that everybody go to the ground

[C.J.Wang]

Obviously they've incorporated a BJJ style and focus in their training, which heavily influences their perspective on what "real combat" should look like.

[Andy_S]

When it comes to battle, soldiers use projectile weapons - not unarmed combat.

When it comes to H2H fighting, it is about when things have gone horribly wrong (which has not happened in Afghan: I don't know of any allied units being overrun) or, more likely, when they are taking and securing prisoners, or other situations when there is no need for lethal force.

Moreover, sport BJJ tests fighting spirit: guts, aggression, will-to-win, durability, determination. Those who are good at this kind of training will probably do well in more severe combat. Those who are wimps and don't want to go H2H - well.

As the Iron Duke put it: "Waterloo was won on the playing fields of Eton."

[Chanchu]

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/10/a ... r_100408w/

"Before help could arrive, Gibson was in a full-scale hand-to-hand fight with the man, who was on his back and tenaciously fighting to get control of his AK47 assault rifle."

[bartekb]

If they indeed train for full h2h combat on a battlefield - which IMHO is misunderstanding - they should train in helmets, boots, equipment belts etc.
As far as I remember in the book "on killing" when analyzing how often unarmed h2h happens on battlefield the answer was never. Some of the special forces like French foreign legion do not practice h2h at all.

[Areios]

with nameing the french legion you are wrong. they do train it.

[Chanchu]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=165_1261386652

Brutal account of H2H combat in Iraq from what seems to be the British media

[bartekb]

Hi Areios
My information are 2nd hand form few years back, so I might be wrong. From what I knew they mostly were heavy on endurance marching as a physical req.
Do you have any links to their h2h manuals/info or anything?

[Ian]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=165_1261386652

Brutal account of H2H combat in Iraq from what seems to be the British media

dude that is the most insane thing I have ever heard. wtf!

[edededed]

If combat ever comes down to remote-controlling robots (a la Ender), that will be the end of H2H as we know it (and the dorks of Akihabara will rule)...

[Andy_S]

Chanchu:

Remarkable account: Squishing eyeballs* and biting off testicles would be remarkably intense combat in any era. But the broad point remains:
For every H2H fight, how many hundreds or thousands of firefights take place? No serviceman can train for every single eventuality he might come across.

*Which invalidates Grossman's thesis in "On Killing": He made the claim that humans simply don't have the fortitude to pull off this 'technique,' even if they have trained with to thumb out an eyeball with tangerines taped over their training partners' eye sockets.