Tung/Dong Family

[cgtomash]

I have had videos of all three of these members of the Tung/Dong Family for some time, so it is nice to see that someone has put them up on Youtube for everyone to enjoy! Video of Tung Kai Ying is from when he was younger. Video of Dong Zeng Chen is quite recent. Video of Alex Dong is several years old.

Tung Kai Ying - Son of Tung Hu Ling, Grandson of Tung YIng Chieh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV2jH22D-I8&t=19s



Dong Zeng Chen - Son of Tung Hu Ling, Grandson of Tung YIng Chieh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=405khDybiQQ



Alex Dong - Son of Dong Zeng Cheng

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5tsUqfVFYs



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq2Iel9wLPw

[Ron Panunto]

I didn't know that the Dong family had a double mace set.

[cgtomash]

I didn't know that the Dong family had a double mace set.

I believe Tung Hu Ling created this set as well as others. Since my lineage is from his father, Tung Ying Chieh, we never learned this. Mostly the Yang curriculum, as well as Tung's fast set.

[marvin8]

Here are a few updated videos.

Published on Feb 5, 2017
Dong Yingjie preforming Yang style Taijiquan c. 1947 with narration by his grandson, Dong Zengchen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cePOUuZyt90

Published on Jan 30, 2017
Master Dong Huling performing Taijiquan in Bangkok, Thailand 1960:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehPZDEB4opI


Published on May 31, 2015
This video is about 4-8-90 I Lu Applications:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIFPrku6sf8

[onemoretime]

Hi
Long time time student of Master Tung Kai-Ying, here in Copenhagen.
Just wanted to clear up some minor things concerning forms in the Tung style
Shuang Kun is a double stick form that comes from the long broadsword form (Tai-chi ch´ang Tao)
Tung Hu Ling learned the Tai-chi ch´ang Tao from somebody near their hometown and created the Shuang Kun form (can also be perform with two broadswords).
Tung Hu Ling also created the fast form (Kuai chuan) and the first Tui Lien (former known as San Shou).
Hope info was useful.

[Trip]

...Tung Hu Ling also created the fast form...

Greetings Onemoretime,

Are you certain that Tung Huling created the Fast Form?
If you are certain, can you explain why his family says it was Tung Ying Chieh that created the Fast Form?
Also, can you explain why there is video of Tung Ying Chieh performing the Fast Form?


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[wayne hansen]

Is there film of the tui lien

[Steve James]

I haven't looked in a while, but here's a good site for some Tung/Dong historical videos. http://www.chipellis.com/videos/videos.htm

[marvin8]

Is there film of the tui lien

I found a few videos.

Uploaded on Mar 16, 2007
(Tui Lien - Kuai Chuan)Me and my teacher giving a demonstration of the Tung family partner set. On a Tai Chi camp 1998. Hundested (Denmark):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5Pv79z29_c

A school of Tung Kai-Ying in Copenhagen:
http://www.knudtaichigb.taichinyt.dk/gbindex.html

Uploaded on Oct 5, 2008
Yang style sanshou no. 1 is here shown by Sifu Knud Erik Andersen & Hanne feddersen from Denmark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWy1URYXNSg

Uploaded on Oct 5, 2008
Yang Style Sanshou no. 2 is her shown by Sifu Knud Erik Andersen & Hanne Feddersen from Denmark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XegDxH2lalE

Uploaded on Oct 5, 2008
Yang Style Sanshou no. 3 is here shown by Sifu Knud Erik Andersen & Johnny Serup from Denmark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsG8Z5aPZbQ

Another video.

Published on Dec 1, 2012:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKpGdA8I1r0

[wayne hansen]

I can't quite see the value in these forms
They don't seem to have the complexity or combat realism of the original San shou
I would like to see Tung family members do them then I might have to reassess

[Bao]

Two-man sets are pretty for performances, but have very little to do with real fighting strategy.

[windwalker]

Two-man sets are pretty for performances, but have very little to do with real fighting strategy.

tung/dong style my first intro into taiji

The teachers taught what was called combat taiji.
One Master Sam kikina, was noted for his skill in this area.

The initial five years of instruction took place under Master Sam Kekina and Master Tung HuLing at the Hsu Yun Buddhist Temple in Nuuanu valley not far from where he lived. There he learned the 108 Long Form, Fast Form, Push Hands, Da Lu, Double edged sword and Broadsword of the Tung family style.

http://taijihawaii.com/pages/bio_evolution15.html#list

a taiji bother of mine, he along with Sam, were my first intro into taiji.

Regarding the set, I think it would be more fair to note that it looks like they are still learning it.
I know with 2 person weapon sets with 7* Master Breden Lai, That at certain point it was real in the sense that if ones timing
was off or was not paying attention one could easily be injured. Also as sometimes happens moves and things change which if one is sleeping while
doing the exercise one will not pick up and also get injured.

note: no longer practice or play the tung/dong family style at this time/ my work is different.

[wayne hansen]

Two-man sets are pretty for performances, but have very little to do with real fighting strategy.

Oo



Like most people you have most likely not had a teacher who can show you the relevance and method of the two man set
The two man pole in particular is full contact and can be used like a punching bag or striking post
I showed a tulisan knife trained in the illustrisimo system how the San shou was used with a knife
He was blown away how practical it was
My own teacher only teaches the San shou as non linked sets with plenty of applications for each move
It is not because it is impractical but because most people aren't up to understanding the way it is used
I only teach groups of two or three moves linked due to the fact that most people can't stay focused for 44 moves
Don't sell the method short due to the shortcomings of most practicioners
If this was the case most traditional methods would be thrown out the door

[Bao]

Like most people you have most likely not had a teacher who can show you the relevance and method of the two man set
The two man pole in particular is full contact and can be used like a punching bag or striking post

I like the idea of full contact. But the timing will still be different. When one person attack and the other defend it, IMHO, it all becomes very one-dimensional. One attack and one defence... When you fight you want to dominate the opponent's space. You want to attack from a superior angle. It's not just standing straight ahead punching at each other. Also all of that pushing.... Pushing is for PH drills. IMO you must be very clear about that what you practice only teaches certain aspects of what is there in a fight and that fighting with Tai Chi will look very different. But here is the trouble. People believe that all of it is here and that it resemble real fighting. IMO it does not.

Don't sell the method short due to the shortcomings of most practicioners
If this was the case most traditional methods would be thrown out the door

True.

[wayne hansen]

Once again there is a misunderstanding of method and use
You are not meant to follow blindly from move 1 to 44
If side a does move I
A strike with the right fist to the chest correctly you respond in the given manner of strike 1 from side b
This is done not by blocking but by stepping back and then a backlist is delivered to the forearm
Much like a gunnting in Kali
However if side a dilivers his blow to your right side rather than your centreline
You pick it up with your left hand step in and backlist his face or elbow him
From that point you deliver what you like until he responds ,no mercy given
This apples all the way through the form
It is all about angles and stepping distance and timing
As for the pushes in the San shou they are more like hsing I tiger not a push but an abrupt strike
San shou is to teach you the second four energies elbow,shoulder ,split and take down
The four main energies are there but play a minor roll
I told this to a well known teacher who had not learnt the forms and explained how in that manner they were like the cannon fist fron the Chen style
You can imagine my surprise when he put out tapes on the San shou calling them pao chiu