some taiji principles in jiu jitsu

[mixjourneyman]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OxL0E_sZqJk

I really like some of the stuff he talks about and also his exercises.

[qiphlow]

it's all the same, man. all the same.

[wiesiek]

well,
i use to roll more on shoulder and side of the head, - not on top of the head
/judo attitude?/

[Areios]

well,
i use to roll more on shoulder and side of the head, - not on top of the head
/judo attitude?/

well if you ever had to roll on a hard concret than you learnit fast.

[Ian]

"it's all the same"

in what taiji curriculum do you find this work?


"taiji principles"

where are they?

[mixjourneyman]

"it's all the same"

in what taiji curriculum do you find this work?


"taiji principles"

where are they?

Being soft, having continuous flow and a couple other things that I will have to watch the video again to remember.

[Ian]

I think it's a bit of a stretch to say any movement that is soft and continuously flowing is an example of taiji principles.

Ballet, yoga, tango, juggling, surfing... obviously these activities share something in common, but their emphases and pedagogical approaches vary significantly.

Tango dancers don't use taiji principles, they use tango principles. They do tango work. Even if there's an overlap from time to time, what they do is categorically NOT taiji in any way.

OTOH it's possible to use taiji to aid your groundwork, or even create your own 'taiji groundfighting'. But bjj it ain't.

[qiphlow]

what i meant by my comment was that most of these martial arts that i am aware of ultimately embody the same ideas: relax, yield, stick, be soft, only use enough effort to get the job done, etc.
the clothing is diferent, but the essence is the same.

[mixjourneyman]

Oh yeah, the big one for me is how he talks about using the mind.
I think that is also close to tjq principles.

[Bao]

what i meant by my comment was that most of these martial arts that i am aware of ultimately embody the same ideas: relax, yield, stick, be soft, only use enough effort to get the job done, etc.

The understanding and focus is often very different. It is the talk that is the same

the clothing is diferent, but the essence is the same.

Practicing methods are different, what you spend your time on practicing is different, competitional rules are different, flavor is different, attitude toward learning and teaching are different, etc etc. In my opinion, the essence as well.

Only if you understand well what is different you can really appreciate the similarities.

Different does not mean that something has a bigger value than the other.

[josh]

I think a lot of this comes from Ginastica Natural:

[wiesiek]

well,
i use to roll more on shoulder and side of the head, - not on top of the head
/judo attitude?/

well if you ever had to roll on a hard concret than you learnit fast.

why do u think that i didn`t? / roll on hard sufraces/
however
it was BEFORE i started to train hard qigong /baseball bat head punching /
so
i can not only roll on top of my head right now


e. P>s.:
rolling on top of the head is more wresler attitude, cause they have diiferent rules when fight is on the ground,
they tends to do bridge all the time /btw,very hard to breake/


Edit.
as u can see in vid. posted by Josh its no pain to roll my way

[Dmitri]

I think it's a bit of a stretch to say any movement that is soft and continuously flowing is an example of taiji principles.

Ballet, yoga, tango, juggling, surfing... obviously these activities share something in common, but their emphases and pedagogical approaches vary significantly.

Tango dancers don't use taiji principles, they use tango principles. They do tango work. Even if there's an overlap from time to time, what they do is categorically NOT taiji in any way.

OTOH it's possible to use taiji to aid your groundwork, or even create your own 'taiji groundfighting'. But bjj it ain't.

Agreed 100%, FWIW... The training progressions in these two arts are completely different.

[Areios]

why do u think that i didn`t? / roll on hard sufraces/
however
it was BEFORE i started to train hard qigong /baseball bat head punching /
so
i can not only roll on top of my head right now


e. P>s.:
rolling on top of the head is more wresler attitude, cause they have diiferent rules when fight is on the ground,
they tends to do bridge all the time /btw,very hard to breake/


Edit.
as u can see in vid. posted by Josh its no pain to roll my way [/quote]

hahaha i was just joking. My experience is if I fall i protect my head thats all.

[neijia_boxer]

that was a cool clip.