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Re: 13 Wounded at Fort Lauderdale Airport

Postby windwalker on Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:23 am

@ Michael,

Can you see the text book SJW response here?

“Nobody can reason me into disliking or stigmatizing a group of people. Not the Russians, or the Vietnamese, or Germans, or Jews, or even "White" people. BTW, remember we used to have Muslims posting here. None agreed with Islamic terrorism. AFAIK, none remain. I note the outrage when anyone brings up the KKK or Nazis. Usually, the counter is that there are people with similar views in all groups. Yeah, we know. What is you suggestion for a final solution? How do we eliminate them. I'll accept it for all of them.”


As for solutions, many have suggested as I would agree with that they should be left to work out their own solutions within their “own” countries.
Not come to or be imported to other countries in mass numbers which than results in imposing their culture, ideology on the host countries attempting
to change it.

What is you suggestion for a final solution? How do we eliminate them. I'll accept it for all of them.”


"eliminate them" wow :o
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Re: 13 Wounded at Fort Lauderdale Airport

Postby Michael on Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:38 am

@ Windy, no I do not think that is a text book SJW response.

I see several people doing a pretty good job of having a discussion on a controversial topic, so best to keep it as drama free as possible.
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Re: 13 Wounded at Fort Lauderdale Airport

Postby Steve James on Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:49 am

no one that I know of tries to deny Christian terrorism in the past or present,

I'm waiting for a response to that one. :)

but the extreme left's political ideology is not only to deny that there are any social problems related to some tiny minority of Muslims immigrating to Western countries, but then accuse people trying to discuss it of being racists.


Seriously dude, you're not talking to "the extreme left" here. It's me. Who's accused you of racism? You simply create a false enemy (the left) whom you then say try to stop you from saying exactly what you are saying instead of discussing it. This is immediately after I've tried to discuss the logic and the issue with you.

Moreover, I've specifically pointed out that there are obviously bad elements in the Muslim community. If we're talking about those elements, fine. Criminals, terrorists, fanatics, tell me where we disagree about them. But, when you or anyone slip into a broad generalization about a billion and a half people (which is Islam), then you're condemning the group for the actions of a few. That's fine too. That's exactly the logic that they use against the west.

If I posted or linked to sites that talked about how Jews controlled the media and caused all the problems, should we discuss it? Remember the Bilderbergs, Trilateral Commission and all those other things that the Jewish bankers control? Hmm. Would that be considered anti-Semitic? Are Muslims Semites? Are Europeans Semites, Hamites or Japhites?

Of course, as I've said several times, I could care less about anyone's personal phobia, bigotry or belief. I'm interested in what that person thinks should be done to the objects of the phobia or bigotry. If you say you want Muslim immigrants treated differently, tell me how. I'm not so concerned about immigrants. When you talk about Islam, you're talking about American citizens. I'm very interested in what anyone thinks is acceptable treatment of them.

And, really, nothing I could call you would be as bad as treating a citizen as second- class because of the religion or ethnicity he was born into. It's just tfb if feelings are hurt.
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Re: 13 Wounded at Fort Lauderdale Airport

Postby Steve James on Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:53 am

Michael wrote:@ Windy, no I do not think that is a text book SJW response.

I see several people doing a pretty good job of having a discussion on a controversial topic, so best to keep it as drama free as possible.


I dunno what SJW is, but I wrote my above post before I read your response, and I saw that you realized I was trying to discuss.
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Re: 13 Wounded at Fort Lauderdale Airport

Postby Steve James on Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:23 am

As for solutions, many have suggested as I would agree with that they should be left to work out their own solutions within their “own” countries.


So, Russia and the west should leave those countries to figure out their affairs. Fair enough. I'm down with withdrawing all western forces, interests and personnel from the ME.

European immigration is a situation that Europe needs to resolve, but wars supported and promoted by the west in the ME is the cause for much of the latest wave of immigrants from ... tada... countries where are wars. Ok, I understand the concern about accepting large numbers of immigrants from war torn countries. The only problem is the rhetoric that argues they want to come to Europe because their religion requires them to take over. Ok, as I said, look who's spread out and controlled the globe.

In the States, however, (notably not in Canada or Mexico), the fear is that there are potential terrorists embedded with any group of Muslim immigrants. Ok, but I'm not concerned about Muslim immigrants, per se. In the 80s, they put Haitian immigrants behind barbed wire fences before screening them. Cuba sent the Marielitos too. Immigration has always been an issue, and there's always been specific groups singled out for special attention.

My concern is specifically about what is done to/with the Muslim-American community.
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Re: 13 Wounded at Fort Lauderdale Airport

Postby Michael on Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:57 am

no one that I know of tries to deny Christian terrorism in the past or present,

I'm waiting for a response to that one. :)

but the extreme left's political ideology is not only to deny that there are any social problems related to some tiny minority of Muslims immigrating to Western countries, but then accuse people trying to discuss it of being racists.


Seriously dude, you're not talking to "the extreme left" here. It's me. Who's accused you of racism? You simply create a false enemy (the left) whom you then say try to stop you from saying exactly what you are saying instead of discussing it. This is immediately after I've tried to discuss the logic and the issue with you.

Moreover, I've specifically pointed out that there are obviously bad elements in the Muslim community. If we're talking about those elements, fine. Criminals, terrorists, fanatics, tell me where we disagree about them. But, when you or anyone slip into a broad generalization about a billion and a half people (which is Islam), then you're condemning the group for the actions of a few. That's fine too. That's exactly the logic that they use against the west.

If I posted or linked to sites that talked about how Jews controlled the media and caused all the problems, should we discuss it? Remember the Bilderbergs, Trilateral Commission and all those other things that the Jewish bankers control? Hmm. Would that be considered anti-Semitic? Are Muslims Semites? Are Europeans Semites, Hamites or Japhites?

Of course, as I've said several times, I could care less about anyone's personal phobia, bigotry or belief. I'm interested in what that person thinks should be done to the objects of the phobia or bigotry. If you say you want Muslim immigrants treated differently, tell me how. I'm not so concerned about immigrants. When you talk about Islam, you're talking about American citizens. I'm very interested in what anyone thinks is acceptable treatment of them.

And, really, nothing I could call you would be as bad as treating a citizen as second- class because of the religion or ethnicity he was born into. It's just tfb if feelings are hurt.

I think there's a misunderstanding here, Steve. I'm not even sure if you're talking to me or Windy. I certainly don't consider you the extreme left. It appears when I refer to the two sides of the debate that I've outlined as the topic of what I'm talking about you think I'm talking about you or me, but I'm not.
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Re: 13 Wounded at Fort Lauderdale Airport

Postby Steve James on Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:06 am

I think there's a misunderstanding here, Steve. I'm not even sure if you're talking to me or Windy. I certainly don't consider you the extreme left. It appears when I refer to the two sides of the debate that I've outlined as the topic of what I'm talking about you think I'm talking about you or me, but I'm not.


Oh, naw, it's not the person, it's the idea. I used the "you" generally, except for the part about the extreme left. I know you realize that I'm not on the extreme left. My point was that the term "extreme left" is like "extreme right," "leftist," "liberal," and other terms that really don't mean much when you a person face-to-face what he or she means. When people say "the leftists want" something or other, it means that both who they are and what they want are bad and shouldn't be wanted. So, when "social security" is called "leftist," it's bad. But, if a "conservative" replacement is found, it will be good.

When someone questions new Israeli settlements, someone may label them anti-Semitic. The same people may argue that it's unfair to call them Islamophobes when they question the rights of Palestinians to stay. My point was that the issue is not what people call each other.
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Re: 13 Wounded at Fort Lauderdale Airport

Postby Michael on Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:54 pm

I used the "you" generally, except for the part about the extreme left.


Who's accused you of racism? You simply create a false enemy (the left) whom you then say try to stop you from saying exactly what you are saying instead of discussing it. This is immediately after I've tried to discuss the logic and the issue with you.


But, when you or anyone slip into a broad generalization about a billion and a half people (which is Islam), then you're condemning the group for the actions of a few.

It is confusing trying to figure out when you are using "you" generally or specifically.
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Re: 13 Wounded at Fort Lauderdale Airport

Postby Steve James on Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:21 pm

The you in "who's accused you" was you, and the pronoun reference sticks until the end of the sentences. When I say "you or anyone," I'm generalizing, but I'm including you as well. In the latter sentence, moreover, the "anyone" includes me, so it's not personal. It's about a specific type of argument.
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Re: 13 Wounded at Fort Lauderdale Airport

Postby Michael on Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:39 pm

Thanks for clarifying.
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Re: 13 Wounded at Fort Lauderdale Airport

Postby Steve James on Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:14 pm

Michael wrote:Thanks for clarifying.


Naw, thanks for asking for the clarification.
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