15 year old boy defends himself and sister with AR-15

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Re: 15 year old boy defends himself and sister with AR-15

Postby Michael on Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:44 pm

Steve James wrote:http://global.christianpost.com/news/jon-stewart-on-nra-daily-show-host-ridicules-gun-control-ad-videos-88506/

"If I didn't know any better, after seeing that ad, I would think that the NRA is either an elaborate avant-garde Joaquin Phoenix style joke or a false flag operation run by Michael Moore in an attempt to discredit gun owners," Stewart said during Wednesday night's "Daily Show."

Sounds about right to me. Nothing quite agitates the issue like bringing in the President's daughters.
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Re: 15 year old boy defends himself and sister with AR-15

Postby Steve James on Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:30 pm

Nothing quite agitates the issue like bringing in the President's daughters.


I dunno. I'm kinda sensitive about my daughters. Some people are like that.
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Re: 15 year old boy defends himself and sister with AR-15

Postby gzregorz on Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:46 am

On top of that it's all lies and fears. 92% of Americans want stricter background checks, including gun owners.

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Re: 15 year old boy defends himself and sister with AR-15

Postby Steve James on Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:25 am

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School's armed guard accidentally leaves handgun in the bathroom

A security guard at a charter school in Lapeer, Mich., caused a "breach in security protocol" when he accidentally left an unloaded weapon in the school's restroom. No children were put in danger and no one was injured according to Chatfield School director Matt Young. The school is not releasing the name of the security officer, who used to work in the Lapeer County Sheriff's Office, and as no one was injured, no charges will be filed as no criminal act was committed. Despite the slip-up, Young called the addition of armed guards at the school "a tremendous asset to the safety of our students."


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Re: 15 year old boy defends himself and sister with AR-15

Postby Dmitri on Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:50 am

Not to take away from the point you're making with the above, but unloaded gun is much less dangerous than a screwdriver, as far as weapons go.
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Re: 15 year old boy defends himself and sister with AR-15

Postby Steve James on Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:05 am

Well, #1, the only unloaded gun in the world is one I've cleared myself. But, apart from the basic gun safety issue, the weapon wouldn't have done much good if someone walked in with an AR-15. I wasn't trying to suggest that the gun was unsafe, though. I was illustrating that the more weapons there are, the more accidents there will be. It has nothing to do with malice. Btw, something similar to the above happened in my family at my brother-in-law's house only the weapon was loaded. Imagine a 6 year-old running around yelling "bang, bang," until my sister-in-law notices what's in his hand.
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Re: 15 year old boy defends himself and sister with AR-15

Postby Dmitri on Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:25 am

I know... Oh man, I would have had a heart attack.. Followed by a serious conversation with the owner... and probably never visiting them again, with kids. The statistical argument (more guns, more potential accidents) is completely valid...

In that particular case however, again not to ignore your point, but it does work right alongside that "statistical argument", -- a 6-year-old could have known better/been better 'gun-educated', not to do something like that. My 6-year-old (when he was that age) would never do something like that. (And yes I know how parents always think that their kid is special and responsible and perfect and stuff, but I'm tellin' ya, he just wouldn't.) Anyway... just wanted to say that 'more guns' doesn't only mean 'more potential problems', but also would imply 'more proper education', which would reduce those bad statistics a bit, I think.

Glad all turned out well there; that could have been really terrible... :-X
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Re: 15 year old boy defends himself and sister with AR-15

Postby GrahamB on Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:30 am

Dmitri wrote:
gzregorz wrote:A 15 year old can't vote, can't drink, can't drive, can't join the military but can have access to an AR15. What a country !

On the other side of that very coin -- an 18 year old can drive, vote, join military, be a pornstar, have access to AR-15, etc. ...but he or she can't legally buy or consume alcohol.

Just a year ago they FINALLY let people sell/buy alcohol on Sundays, around here.

Talk about ridiculous laws.


That's nothing - where I grew up the nearest town closed all its shops on Wednesday afternoon.... All of them...For no actual reason... Probably still does!
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Re: 15 year old boy defends himself and sister with AR-15

Postby Steve James on Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:25 pm

Anyway... just wanted to say that 'more guns' doesn't only mean 'more potential problems', but also would imply 'more proper education', which would reduce those bad statistics a bit, I think.


I think the argument about proper education (or learning how to properly respect and handle firearms safely) is completely valid when it comes to gun safety. If someone is going to have one around, that person needs to know how to handle it. ... Just think, though, about all the weapons being sold today. How do we know if those people have received training?
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Re: 15 year old boy defends himself and sister with AR-15

Postby Dmitri on Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:34 pm

Well yeah, we've agreed on that particular point already I think, re. some basic mandatory training in order to get the license (similar to driver's license.)
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Re: 15 year old boy defends himself and sister with AR-15

Postby Steve James on Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:02 pm

Dmitri wrote:Well yeah, we've agreed on that particular point already I think, re. some basic mandatory training in order to get the license (similar to driver's license.)


"We" agree, but in some places it is against the law to require dealers to ask for proof of training or proof of anything other than identity (which in most cases is a driver's license. There's an irony there).

Edit: just thought, what if the feds were to require a birth certificate, too. Oh, I bet there'd be a scat storm then :)
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Re: 15 year old boy defends himself and sister with AR-15

Postby Steve James on Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:57 pm

5 hurt in accidental shootings at 3 US gun shows

Authorities say five people have been wounded by gunfire at three separate gun shows around the United States.

Three people were injured Saturday in Raleigh, N.C., at the Dixie Gun and Knife Show, a quarterly event that usually draws thousands of people. State agriculture department spokesman Brian Long says a 12-gauge shotgun discharged as its owner unzipped its case for a law enforcement officer to check at a security entrance.

Two bystanders were hit by shotgun pellets and taken to a hospital. A retired deputy sheriff suffered a slight hand injury.

Long says the shotgun's owner, 36-year-old Gary Lynn Wilson, brought the weapon to the show to find a private buyer. Sheriff Donnie Harrison says it's too early to know whether Wilson might be charged.

In Indiana, police say a 54-year-old Indianapolis man was injured when he accidentally shot himself while leaving a gun show.

State Police say Emory L. Cozee was loading his .45 caliber semi-automatic when he shot himself in the hand as he was leaving the Indy 1500 Gun and Knife show at the state fairgrounds. Loaded personal weapons are not allowed inside the show.

Cozee was hospitalized for treatment. Police say the shooting was accidental and no charges will be filed.

Meanwhile, authorities in Ohio say a man was wounded at a gun show in Medina when a gun dealer was checking out a semi-automatic handgun he had bought and he accidentally pulled the trigger.

Police say the gun's magazine had been removed from the firearm but one round remained in the chamber.

Police Chief Pat Berarducci says it appears the bullet struck the floor and the man was wounded in the arm and leg. Berarducci says the man was taken by helicopter to a Cleveland hospital. His condition was not immediately known.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... w/1847879/
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Re: 15 year old boy defends himself and sister with AR-15

Postby gzregorz on Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:14 am

Another 15 year old with an assault rifle.

(CNN) -- Sheriff's investigators combed through what one called a "horrific" crime scene Sunday after the shooting deaths of five people, three of them children, at a home outside Albuquerque, New Mexico.

A well-known local pastor and four of his relatives were among the victims, according to those who knew him.

Each victim was shot multiple times, said Lt. Sid Covington of the Bernalillo County Sheriff's Department, and one of the weapons used was what he described as an assault rifle. Sheriff Dan Houston said a 15-year-old boy, who "may be a family member," was charged with two counts of murder and three counts of child abuse resulting in death.

"Initially responding deputies entered the home and found the five deceased inside the residence, so obviously it was a very gruesome scene," Covington told reporters. There was no indication of a motive so far, he said.

"It's a large crime scene with a lot of physical evidence, and because there's an offender in custody, we're doing our best to be thorough and complete in gathering any potential evidence, and so we're going slowly, methodically, through the entire residence," Covington told CNN.

Investigators said the dead included a man, a woman and three grade-school-age children -- two girls and a boy.

They did not release the names of the victims, saying the process of formally identifying the remains was still going on, but they said the home belongs to Greg and Sarah Griego. Greg Griego was the chaplain for the Albuquerque Fire Department and involved in several prison ministries.

"Chaplain Griego was a dedicated professional that passionately served his fellow man and the firefighters of this community," read a statement from Fire Chief James Breen. "His calming spirit and gentle nature will be greatly missed. Our thoughts and prayers go out to Greg's extended family."

Griego was also a former pastor at Calvary Church, where the family still attended services, church member Brian Nixon told CNN affiliate KOAT.

Griego's brother, former state Sen. Eric Griego, issued a statement saying, "Our family is grieving this terrible tragedy. We appreciate the prayers and support we have received and request that the media honor our family's privacy during this difficult time."

The family lived in a large home at the end of a street on the southwestern edge of Albuquerque. Neighbor Terry Wootan described it as a semi-rural area with farms and residences.

"It's a very quiet, decent neighborhood," Wootan told CNN. "Across America we hear it: 'Something like this could never happen in my neighborhood.' But I woke up at 5:30 this morning to floodlights and crime investigation vehicles, and it's just not something you think you're going to wake up to."

The sheriff said deputies were dispatched to the home around 9:15 p.m. Saturday. They were summoned by "a party that was called by the suspect," he said, but "I don't know what the dynamics of that relationship is."

He said investigators are unaware of any criminal history with the teen and were looking into whether any family members had a record. The boy is being charged as a juvenile, but prosecutors could charge him as an adult, Covington said.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/20/justice/n ... ?hpt=hp_t4
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Re: 15 year old boy defends himself and sister with AR-15

Postby gzregorz on Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:17 am

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5 hurt in accidental shootings at 3 US gun shows

Authorities say five people have been wounded by gunfire at three separate gun shows around the United States.

Three people were injured Saturday in Raleigh, N.C., at the Dixie Gun and Knife Show, a quarterly event that usually draws thousands of people. State agriculture department spokesman Brian Long says a 12-gauge shotgun discharged as its owner unzipped its case for a law enforcement officer to check at a security entrance.

Two bystanders were hit by shotgun pellets and taken to a hospital. A retired deputy sheriff suffered a slight hand injury.

Long says the shotgun's owner, 36-year-old Gary Lynn Wilson, brought the weapon to the show to find a private buyer. Sheriff Donnie Harrison says it's too early to know whether Wilson might be charged.

In Indiana, police say a 54-year-old Indianapolis man was injured when he accidentally shot himself while leaving a gun show.

State Police say Emory L. Cozee was loading his .45 caliber semi-automatic when he shot himself in the hand as he was leaving the Indy 1500 Gun and Knife show at the state fairgrounds. Loaded personal weapons are not allowed inside the show.

Cozee was hospitalized for treatment. Police say the shooting was accidental and no charges will be filed.

Meanwhile, authorities in Ohio say a man was wounded at a gun show in Medina when a gun dealer was checking out a semi-automatic handgun he had bought and he accidentally pulled the trigger.

Police say the gun's magazine had been removed from the firearm but one round remained in the chamber.

Police Chief Pat Berarducci says it appears the bullet struck the floor and the man was wounded in the arm and leg. Berarducci says the man was taken by helicopter to a Cleveland hospital. His condition was not immediately known.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... w/1847879/


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