If we both assert sincerity, then there's just some kind of recurring disconnect.
Don't blame me if we're off the thread title, I was talking to Graham, and previously to Craig and Greg on other threads, when you decided to, IMO, misinterpret me.
FWIW, I think we are in agreement about gun safety. To clarify what i said before, when I see someone in action with a gun, or a motor vehicle, or a bicycle, or a computer, I immediately know something about the person's skill I'm observing, especially regarding safety measures. I do not say this with the intention to deflect your question about feeling safe around people who are packing heat, I say it to *fully* answer your question by anticipating what I thought would be a kind of follow up. If you need me to just say yes and no, I can slow down to crawling speed so the conversation can continue without collisions.
I thought my response included a clear answer to your rather obvious question. I feel fine around people with weapons if they know what they're doing. How do I know if they're capable? The point is you can't know the potential skill or trustworthiness of other people without observation in context, which is very limited to one person's experience. There is risk. Some advocate licensing to have children, all to prevent risk. Do we want a risk-free society?
I do not negate your statements about assuming anyone with a gun is a danger until you have verified otherwise. This is part of the overall debate about accidents with guns that I am attempting to enlarge into an examination of accidents with other tools in order to demonstrate that it is fundamental problem of human nature and not limited to guns. This probably goes without saying, but if so, why all this hand wringing about guns in particular?
Most people learn by trial and error and do not take the time to develop sufficient basic skill and safety practices before "going live", whether it's behind the wheel, on the shooting range, or the first time they lose their training wheels. This is human nature. So, do we ban bikes, pools, horse riding, snowboarding AND guns, or just guns? The damn shame is that unlike driving or many other activities, you can learn everything you need to know about keeping a gun safe (when it is not in active use) in a matter of hours. I don't blame the guns because the owners fail on something as easy as this.
It would be easy to demonstrate how poor most people's driving skills are, both in regards to safety measures, ability to physically control of vehicle, mechanical knowledge relating to tires and brakes, and the statistics back this up with thousands of avoidable deaths. Do we ban or restrict cars? If you got the cash, you can have any go-fast machine you want, don't even need a license to purchase it.
There's a recent story from D.C. about an 11 y.o. kid was being mauled by 3 pit bulls. Neighbor shot one dog, cop shot another two. The kid got hit in the foot. So do we ban dogs or feet? Doesn't matter, they're probably going to prosecute the neighbor for illegal gun ownership.
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I can feel your ch'i-eese.