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Re: Breakfast

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:25 pm

Yeah, those are both against the rules. Brown rice is indeed a no-no. If you want the impressive results (and for them to happen quickly) you need to follow it to a T. What I did was follow it for a couple months, then just adopted a semi-primal diet to maintain the gains I had made. That seemed to work great and I got in great shape, felt great both mentally and physically.

Then I met a girl, fell in love, and started eating carbs again. That was over a year ago and I have gained all of the weight back. Still in good shape from being active, but I miss being 190lbs.

the one thing I cheated on with the 4hr body was alcohol. But, even T.F. says he has a glass of red every night.

Anyway, this thread has me thinking I should read it again. So, thanks for that!
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Re: Breakfast

Postby everything on Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:09 am

Ian thanks for the reply and sure thing on the reminder.

I decided to allow some low GI carbs like brown rice as it's a major improvement for me anyway.

I'm down 3 lbs in 3 days and only want to lose about 12 total for vanity and cutting speed (futbol).

I haven't attempted a fat % measurement but second phase might fine tune myself to aim for 12%.
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Re: Breakfast

Postby everything on Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:10 am

Ian thanks for the reply and sure thing on the reminder.

I decided to allow some low GI carbs like brown rice as it's a major improvement for me anyway.

I'm down 3 lbs in 3 days and only want to lose about 12 total for vanity and cutting speed (futbol).

I haven't attempted a fat % measurement but second phase might fine tune myself to aim for 12%.
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Re: Breakfast

Postby everything on Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:27 pm

I was also checking out the bulletproof diet which is similar, interesting, and not so bean-y:

http://www.bulletproofexec.com/start-th ... roof-diet/
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Re: Breakfast

Postby Andy_S on Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:49 pm

The posted article on centenarians is, I think, a crib from a Nat Geo piece that came out a few years ago. Key findings:
Extended families keep the old uns active
They walk a lot, or od other forms of regular but light/moderate excercise
They enjoy fresh air and country living
They eat healthy diets and don't over-consume
They booze, but in moderation
They are happeh

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Re: Breakfast

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:17 am

Everything,

The no-bean thing is very paeleo. Not so much primal. Check out "Marks Daily Apple." Great reading all around. A great place to go after the 4hr diet.

the idea is that beans and other legumes have "anti-nutrients."

Not my cup of tea, but whatever. Some points to be made, it would seem.
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Re: Breakfast

Postby everything on Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:42 am

Ian, thanks, have seen it linked from rsf before. Will check into it next. I am kinda bored of the legumes and don't like the gas. It's interesting he recommends "gentle cooking" with low heat, on the topic of those centenarians. The overlaps in all these plans are fairly clear. I also like that brown rice is somewhat ok and stevia is fine.

Anyhoo, first week (M-F only) has gone better and easier than I anticipated. Feel steady energy not ups and downs. I think the "last 10 lbs" will be easier to lose than I anticipated. Hoping I can go to the next level and track bodyfat % next. I haven't started a kb routine but have wanted to since reading about Pavel here, basically just kb swings and Turkish getups. I love the 80/20 rules as I'm a lazy minimalist, not OCD enough to do elaborate routines, and want to spend time doing fun stuff.
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Re: Breakfast

Postby everything on Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:21 am

so far down 5-6 lbs in 2.5 weeks. that puts me still 1-2 lbs above what I weighed last August. Ugh. probably 10 lbs to go or so over another 1-2 months to get to my goal after that. I'd roughly estimate I'll drop from 22% to 16% bodyfat. So I hope to have a new goal then.

Overlapping with the grains thread, I have not cut out grains, just avoiding "fluffy white" stuff like white rice, white bread, noodles, sugar. Cut way back on legumes now as I could not stand the gas and got so sick of beans at every. single. meal. Also finding that I need some higher glycemic carbs right before soccer games or else my energy is too low. I am doing "prehab" KB routines then will mainly do TGUs and swings til boredom and/or plateau sets in. The The kids are surprisingly still on board with at least a healthy breakfast and doing well with it.
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Re: Breakfast

Postby middleway on Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:04 pm

Big well done everything. Keep it up :)

I have gone from 82.6 kgs to 76.2 since 1st of jan and never felt better. Weeks 2/3 are the hardest I found. So keep going with it!!

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Re: Breakfast

Postby everything on Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:53 pm

thanks for the encouragement and that is quite impressive for only 1.5 months!

some of the difficulty is hitting boredom or trying to figure out some other recipes to cook, but the recipe part is also some of the fun. I thought I would be pretty good at repeating meals but doing something slightly different is always more enjoyable.

also I find I crave protein more at night. if I eat at 8 a.m., 11 a.m., 3 p.m., 6 p.m., around 9 p.m. I still need protein. amazingly I'll still weigh less in the morning after eating seemingly a lot 2-3 hours before sleeping. -shrug-
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Re: Breakfast

Postby lazyboxer on Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:04 pm

Will this do? Eggs Sardou with gulf shrimp and grits. Wash it down with a beakful of Taittinger and a double ristretto, and you should be ready to take on Napoleon's cavalry.

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Re: Breakfast

Postby everything on Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:27 pm

damn that looks delicious. I don't know if I count grits as fluffy white carbs or not. I need some explanation of "Taittinger and a double ristretto" which also sounds very delicious. more food examples would be great. yes I count on rsf for this topic and cannot be bothered with food dot com or whatever.
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Re: Breakfast

Postby lazyboxer on Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:43 pm

Taittinger is a famous Champagne marque, still owned by the eponymous family. Its best is the 100% chardonnay Comtes de Champagne Blanc de Blancs; the relatively high acidity cuts perfectly through the richness of the Oeufs Sardou. It's also $150-225 a pop, which is why I suggested a mere beakful, unless you are among the fortunate few here who aren't semi-permanently broke ;).

A ristretto is a fuller bodied version of espresso coffee, now meaning a short espresso (i.e. made with less water). There's a good wiki on how to do it correctly: http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ristretto. A wonderful barista once told me that a short shot of high roasted coffee at breakfast would take me through a whole day without needing more. He was right: the combination of low acidity and high caffeine makes it the perfect post-breakfast digestif.
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Re: Breakfast / 4hb / slow carb

Postby everything on Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:04 pm

well on week 4.5 and have slowed way down. peak loss some time last week after lots of exercise the 2 days before was down about 6.5 lbs. now back up on average to about 4 lbs lost in the past 4.5 weeks.

definitely hit a plateau, most likely due to being less strict about consuming some whole grain foods on non-cheat days. the novelty has worn off and the more disciplined work is starting.

lazyboxer those foods sound really delicious. I think we need a "what are you cooking?" thread to complement the "what are you listening to?" thread.
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Re: Breakfast / 4hb / slow carb

Postby lazyboxer on Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:37 pm

I'm glad to hear you're still alive to the need for deliciousness. I hate the whole 'dieting' concept, and disgustingly commercialised approaches associated with it. It's the mirror image of the profit- driven industrialised food market largely responsible for causing the ongoing obesity and diabetes crisis now spreading round the world.

Are you familiar with the work of Michel Montignac? Try his Provencal cookbook - the recipes are excellent. And take a look at this: http://www.montignac.com/en/le-veritable-pain-integral-montignac/
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