The Republicans Tap Out!

[DeusTrismegistus]

CaliG is right.

Just so this doesn't go unnoticed..... .. McCain's answer to the problem is fewer regulations and MORE tax breaks for Wall Street and their cronies!! McCain is cracking up, and the straight talk express has lost it's wheels!!

UPDATE: CBS News reports that McCain's alternative proposal includes "fewer regulations and corporate tax breaks":

I am sorry but do you not understand economics? A reduction of corporate taxes and tax breaks for buying up this bad debt is a great way to stimulate spending and lending and to move these risky securities to healthy companies without creating a 700 billion dollar tax burden. That solution is what has been proposed by AMERICAN TAXPAYERS! That is a plan that is being considered an alternative by the american public which is completely against the bailout.

The problem was created by socialist government sponsored entities which were designed to alter the free market to allow more people to be able to afford homes. Their power was expanded several times and they had little to no oversight and what oversight they had was powerless to reign them in. They pushed for more and more people to be able to take out loans, bought loans that were mistakes from the beginning from banks, effectively encouraging these horrible loans and the predatory lending to occur, and now this artifical economic bubble that was created directly from the effects of congress and the push of these Govt sponsored entities is bursting. Hundreds of economists are now saying that the Paulson plan won't work. The Tax break and tax incentive plan is economically sound. It also doesn't give a blank check to a govt official with no oversight capacity, it also wont put us AT LEAST 700 billion more dollars in debt.

As far as injecting presidential politics I call BULL SHIT. McCain went to that meeting, he was requested to come to washington by members of congress, he said very little and what he said is in line with overall sentiment of the American people. HOW THE HELL IS THAT BAD!? How is representing the wishes of your country bad!? I hope McCain destorys the Paulson plan. I will NEVER vote for ANYONE that votes for this idiotic piece of legislation, be it Obama, McCain, or any of my senators or representative.

[DeusTrismegistus]

uh-huh, McCain and Obama are senators. The most important senate vote in this year and possibly since Obama has been a senator is happening, McCain decides to do his Job while Obama says basically to call him if they need him. Says a lot about work ethic if you ask me.

If you ask me, neither of them need to be there. Besides the fact that their votes just cancel each other out, one of them will not be a senator much longer. And the other one is part of the problem, not the solution.

McCain co-sponsored legislation in 2005 to increase regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

It honestly does not matter that one will not be a senator in a few months, they are senators NOW. This is their JOB. They should be their doing what they were elected to do. It is not an issue that their votes may cancel, we don't even know that for sure. They are members of Congress they should be voting on this issue, they are the future leaders of our country they should be in the thick of this trying to understand the situation and trying to find out what is best for the american people.

As far as commercials being aired while the campaign was suspended, big fat whoop. Like McCain is going to throw every TV and radio station in the country into a wreck for a few days because he doesn't want his ads that are already paid for to be aired. He stopped touring and went to washington to work. Only an idiot would have even assumed the commercials would have stopped.

[CaliG]

Bro, he went to New York. He just arrived in Washington last night.

Also considering he has his own plane there's no excuse for him not to show up for the debate.

Perhaps they couldn't hook up the teleprompter.

[DeusTrismegistus]

Bro, he went to New York. He just arrived in Washington last night.

Also considering he has his own plane there's no excuse for him not to show up for the debate.

Perhaps they couldn't hook up the teleprompter.

I know he addressed the clinton Global initiative before heading to Washington.

There is no excuse for him not show up unless they are still debating this on the senate floor you mean.

[Darth Rock&Roll]

I would like to hear both their plans for how they intend to steer what is happening now.

[steelincotton]

I guess some folks just don't mind being lied to, but I'm personally fed up with it. We've just had eight years of lying and deceit and look where it's got us? McCain will be worse than Bush, because he's already proven how much he is willing to lie on the drop of a bucket. ENOUGH!!

McCain said he was "suspending" his campaign, and yet allowed TV Ads to run, and his campaign staffers to continue business as usual. How on earth is this "suspending" his campaign? Maybe some people think that's not important, but I prefer a president who doesn't lie to us everytime it's politically beneficial to himself. THEN, McCain says, "I've got to get to Washington because I'm putting my country first!" - I'm sorry but only an idiot would buy that one. It's more politics as usual. Do you guys really think the current party leaders need or even want John McCain to help them figure this situation out? They all know McCain doesn't sit with the grown-ups when it comes to these kinds of serious economic issues. Frankly, it's way over his head and he's even admitted that many times previously. But hey, if you believe that John McCain went to Washington to put "Country First," well I've got a bridge to nowhere to sell you!

BUT, let's take McLame on his word... What did he do? He didn't go straight to Washington did he? He went to New York to tape an interview with Katie Couric, after dissing Letterman, and then went to Washington D.C. Geesh, he sure was in a big hurry to get to Washington huh? Frankly, I can't believe any rational person could buy the swill that comes out of that old man's deceitful and spiteful mouth! It blows me away that so many are so gullable.

[DeusTrismegistus]

I guess some folks just don't mind being lied to, but I'm personally fed up with it. We've just had eight years of lying and deceit and look where it's got us? McCain will be worse than Bush, because he's already proven how much he is willing to lie on the drop of a bucket. ENOUGH!!

McCain said he was "suspending" his campaign, and yet allowed TV Ads to run, and his campaign staffers to continue business as usual. How on earth is this "suspending" his campaign? Maybe some people think that's not important, but I prefer a president who doesn't lie to us everytime it's politically beneficial to himself. THEN, McCain says, "I've got to get to Washington because I'm putting my country first!" - I'm sorry but only an idiot would buy that one. It's more politics as usual. Do you guys really think the current party leaders need or even want John McCain to help them figure this situation out? They all know McCain doesn't sit with the grown-ups when it comes to these kinds of serious economic issues. Frankly, it's way over his head and he's even admitted that many times previously. But hey, if you believe that John McCain went to Washington to put "Country First," well I've got a bridge to nowhere to sell you!

BUT, let's take McLame on his word... What did he do? He didn't go straight to Washington did he? He went to New York to tape an interview with Katie Couric, after dissing Letterman, and then went to Washington D.C. Geesh, he sure was in a big hurry to get to Washington huh? Frankly, I can't believe any rational person could buy the swill that comes out of that old man's deceitful and spiteful mouth! It blows me away that so many are so gullable.

And you believe the equally appaling shit that Obama spews out? Cmon give me a break. The move probably had political motivations for McCain. However when people called McCain's campaign they responded to all people by saying the campaign was on hold. Its just ignorant to think he could have stopped his ads from running on that short of notice and making a hoopla out of nothing.

Politicians lie, get used to it. Not one of them are any different (except maybe ron paul) especially not obama.

[steelincotton]

And you believe the equally appaling shit that Obama spews out? Cmon give me a break. The move probably had political motivations for McCain. However when people called McCain's campaign they responded to all people by saying the campaign was on hold. Its just ignorant to think he could have stopped his ads from running on that short of notice and making a hoopla out of nothing. Politicians lie, get used to it. Not one of them are any different (except maybe ron paul) especially not obama.

Yes, I BELIEVE! Excuse me for having "the audacity to HOPE!" To dare, that we could do better, and that we Americans deserve better, than George Bush, Dick Cheney, and John McCain's leadership. And yes Deus, they CAN stop TV ADS from running almost immediately, certainly within a few hours no problem at all. Making a hoopla? You mean the way McCain made sure every single news agency picked up his so-called campaign "suspension?" If anybody has been making a big hoopla out of nothing, and I really mean nothing, it's John McCain. He now looks even more desperate because the debate is "back on," yet they still haven't come up with a plan (and he said he wouldn't debate until the plan was resolved - ANOTHER LIE). Meanwhile, everybody in the media is shaking their proverbial heads saying WTF is wrong with this guy?

[CaliG]

Whatever spin you choose to believe it definately makes McCain look week.

[CaliG]

I just watched the VP debate...

[Darth Rock&Roll]

really?

I thought that although she went a bit heavy on the hayseed combined with mountains of clichés, Palin stuck to the talking points. BIden handled himself well and didn't stoop to ridiculing the opponent. This is commendable because lets face it, she's an easy target for someone like Biden. So Kudos to him.

I was disappointed in the format. It looked more like a Q&A session as opposed to actual debate. I'd give it to Biden though over Palin.

Up North here, the incumbent was faced with more of his own mistakes and gaffes and was hoseated again by the other parties. I gotta say that the NDP went into drift though and lost focus by taking on Dion instead of Harper. A little bit of misguided attack there on the NDP part. Jack needs to focus his shit on Harper, not on teh guy who he'll need to form a coalition gov with next month.

May did alright as well and Harper kept a tight lip and a thin smile as he took his beating, but it didn't change the facts about what he represents to our country, which is those things our country is NOT about.

I'd give both our debate session both the French and English sessions to M.Dion. He seems to have his ducks in a row and consistently leaves Harper stammered and scrambling.

[CaliG]

Yes really, to my mind Palin looked like a joke.

She didn't go into any debt on any of the issues. For example she said she knew what it was like not to be able to afford health care but isn't going to do a damn thing about it.

She said she would fight corruption on Wall street yet is for more and more de-regulation.

At one point the moderator had to ask her the questions again because she didn't answer it she just continued to plug McCain and when she went after Obama for voting against a bill to help veterns it turned out that McCain voted no on the same bill.

She's basically a politobot repeating everything she's been programmed to say.

[Michael]

She's basically a politobot repeating everything she's been programmed to say.

Not trying to pick a fight, but seriously, this is different from Obama, McCain, Biden, Bush, Kerry, Gore, et al, how, exactly?

[Orpheus]

She's basically a politobot repeating everything she's been programmed to say.

Not trying to pick a fight, but seriously, this is different from Obama, McCain, Biden, Bush, Kerry, Gore, et al, how, exactly?

It isn't all that different except in degree. In a different venue, Biden would have been the straightman in her farce. Politicians typically rely on vagueries to get through tough questions. She just didn't answer. When asked about the bankruptcy bill passed the previous year, she talked about energy policy. Nor did she answer the question regarding McCain's healthcare plan (Biden didn't answer his part about healthcare either). In fact, the whole debate was rather bad.

Only one part stood out. When Biden was talking about having to be a single father, about having to move away from his family to find a job, he got choked up and lost his composure for a second. For that second, he was almost a human being.

[Darthwing Teorist]

I gotta say that the NDP went into drift though and lost focus by taking on Dion instead of Harper. A little bit of misguided attack there on the NDP part. Jack needs to focus his shit on Harper, not on teh guy who he'll need to form a coalition gov with next month.

I only saw the English debate last night. At some point Dion made a side remark about trust to Layton.