Does anyone have any experience with Multiple Sclerosis?

[Michael]

Minding Your Mitochondria: Dr. Terry Wahls
Uploaded on Nov 30, 2011
17:46
Dr. Terry Wahls learned how to properly fuel her body. Using the lessons she learned at the subcellular level, she used diet to cure her MS and get out of her wheelchair.

[Michael]

^bump^

[yeniseri]

There is a subset of MS individuals who have been healed (cured) through the use of antibiotics. The background in some cases is that the "infection' influenced said diagnosis per symptom presentation and darkfield microscopy was bale to verify that stage of infection hence use of antibiotics. Most cases are brought on by some degree of an inflammatory process (whether hereditary, environmental or both). My brother in law was diagnosed with MS and his was a severe case. It did not help that the male side of family were coal miners and he started showing signs of debility around 30 years of age. The TED introduction was great and as usual therapy has to be individualized based on the severity of the diagnosis and stage of disease (mild moderate or severe).

[Drake]

Interesting, yeniseri. Is there any published research that I could take a look at?

[yeniseri]

Here are some background references:
Remember that this is just one subset of those given the diagnosis of MS and not the 'standardized' protocol that is the present model, which is treat with an MS drug!

Antbiotics and MS
http://www.endfatigue.com/articles/Arti ... or_ms.html

Association between Multiple Sclerosis and Cystic Structures in Cerebrospinal Fluid
http://www.owndoc.com/pdf/brorson-ms-is-lyme.pdf

Empirical antibacterial treatment of infection with Chlamydophila pneumoniae
in Multiple Sclerosis
http://www.davidwheldon.co.uk/ms-treatment1.html

The Vandebilt Protocol for MS
http://perfecthealthdiet.com/2010/11/th ... sclerosis/

Is MS an auto immune disease?
http://perfecthealthdiet.com/2010/07/is ... e-disease/

Just a FYI that in some circle, the preponderance of antibiotics present in food, livestock has been indicated as the inflammatory process needed to jumpstart the symptoms associated with MS!

[Drake]

Very interesting premises. Thank you very much for taking time out of your day to point me in the right direction(s).

[Michael]

Somebody tell Drake about Terry Wahls' success.

[Azer]

Some of my osteopath mates been droning on about this earlier today:

Multiple Sclerosis--the vascular connection

http://ccsviinms.blogspot.be/2015/06/a- ... y.html?m=1

[Drake]

I'm very familiar with Ms. Wahl's personal search, Michael. Thank you very much, sir. Interesting, Azer, what's being written is very similar to the therapy that I'm having on a weekly basis. I have cranial-sacral manipulation which is, essentially, what's being written about. I have to say that there has been minimal physical improvement, but as far as clarity of thought, emotional content, etc.? It's been excellent.

Thank you both very much, gents.

[Drake]

Wow!!! It's been about a year since I even bothered to take a look back on this thread I began. It's been a wild, whacky, aggravating process thus far.

To begin: I've dropped 40 lbs. since the middle of December 2015. I just hit 172 at yesterdays weigh-in. *That* has helped ease the stress on my joints, to be sure. I am completely off all medications, and am on a supplement program that I have been tailoring to my needs, and adjusting things depending on what I feel is best for me. As always, I use my body as a laboratory. As a result of the weight loss I've become more mobile, and as I become more mobile I become more confident. ((i get a bit too ahead of myself sometimes..... thus the broken toes on my left foot at the moment)) My vitamin regimen specific to my MS is: B-1, B-3, B-7, B-12, Ubiquinol, Potassium, 2 separate types of Magnesium, D-3, and Krill Oil. The B vitamins have been an interesting process. Because of the spasticity that can be caused by the B-7/Biotin I've had to incorporate the other B vitamins as a "work-around". Any pain is treated with different types of cannabis vaped, made into a tincture, or ingested as an oil. Cannabis alone is interesting in how my body reacts. So far everything has been positive. I recently went to my GP for a check up ((it had been over a decade)), and he was amazed at just how good my overall health was. He said that aside from the fact that I had MS, and although my legs continue to be weak as a result, internally I'm in my late 20's to early 30's. Heart, lungs, blood work, prostate, etc..... Pretty good for an old fuck!!! Things progress, and life goes on. Thank you, folks, for any input, or well wishing. Doing this helps. Have a great one!!!!

[Steve James]

Well, here's some more well-wishing for ya Glad to hear that your spirits are up and happy that you're happy your weight is down.

[fisherman]

Hi Drake -
First off, thanks for starting this thread and for the continued updates. My wife was diagnosed about 2 years ago and reading through his thread has been very insightful for me. I am going to send her a link to the thread because there is a ton of great information in here!
Thanks to all who've posted info in this thread. I wish I would have seen it sooner but I don't typically view the OTT section.
Best of luck with your continued pursuit of health, Drake, and thanks again for sharing your experience thus far!

Chris

[Drake]

It's an experience, to be sure, Chris, and the struggle isn't usually understood by those without the disease/condition. It's especially difficult when you've been an athlete/physical person your entire life, and you just can't, any longer. As the spouse I'm sure you've dealt with the mood swings, etc. that just happen. I feel for you just like I feel for my wife when they occasionally burst out. You guy's get to be our silent heroes, you know. Let your wife know that there are several support groups on FB, if she's interested, or she can look me up there, also. Because you're in Colorado it's good that you have cannabis available. There are several varieties that I've been finding for different uses throughout the day, and evening. It *does* help, and not just with pain. Also, I can turn her onto different protocols of supplementation that have helped me. Again, though, we're all petrie dishes in our own grand experiment. Diet definitely plays a part, but it's an individual thing. There is no magic pill that deals with this confounding disease. She needs to move, and keep moving. Everyone I talk to seems to have this in common. Stretch, exercise, walk, sit outside, all of it. If she needs help? Help her. Even if she doesn't ask, and gets snippy.

[Bob]

https://news.usc.edu/101187/diet-that-m ... -symptoms/

Diet that mimics fasting may also reduce multiple sclerosis symptoms
Previous studies indicated that similar diets could fight cancer and reduce the signs of aging

Evidence is mounting that a diet mimicking the effects of fasting has health benefits beyond weight loss, with a new USC-led study indicating that it may reduce symptoms of multiple sclerosis.

Scientists discovered that the diet triggers a death-and-life process for cells that appears critical for the body’s repair.

“During the fasting-mimicking diet, cortisone is produced and that initiates a killing of autoimmune cells,” said Valter Longo, the study’s lead author and professor who directs the USC Longevity Institute at the Davis School of Gerontology. “This process also leads to the production of new healthy cells.”

The new study, published in the journal Cell Reports, included mice and human patients who have multiple sclerosis, a neurological disease that affects an estimated 350,000 Americans, according to the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke.

Overseas trial
The researchers also checked the safety and potential efficacy of the diet on people who have multiple sclerosis through a pilot trial with 60 participants with the disease, lead by Markus Bock at Charité University Hospital in Berlin.

Eighteen patients were placed on the fasting-mimicking diet for a seven day cycle and then placed on a Mediterranean diet for six months. Also for six months, 12 participants were on a controlled diet, and 18 others were on a ketogenic diet (a high-fat diet).

Those who received a fasting-mimicking diet cycle followed by the Mediterranean diet and those on a ketogenic diet reported improvements in their quality of life and improvements in health, including physical and mental health.

The researchers noted that the study is limited because it did not test whether the Mediterranean diet alone would cause improvements, nor did it involve a functional MRI or immune function analysis.

Longo said the findings beg further investigation. Researchers should determine whether fasting-mimicking diet could help patients with other autoimmune diseases, and they should test the diet’s efficacy in larger clinical trials.

Similar fasting-mimicking diets have been tested and found safe in trials. Longo said he believes patients with autoimmune disorders who are out of viable options should consult their doctors about the possibility of trying a fasting-mimicking diet or enrolling in a clinical trial that tests the diet’s effect on autoimmune disorders.

Positive feedback
Longo said he has heard positive feedback from patients with disorders who tried the diet.

“We are optimistic,” Longo said. “What we don’t want is patients trying to do this at home without involvement of their specialist or without understanding that larger trials are necessary to confirm that the diet, as a treatment, is effective against multiple sclerosis or other autoimmunities.”

The study co-authors were In Young Choi, Sebastian Brandhorst, Jorge Suarez and Todd Morgan, and Min Wei, all of the USC Davis School; Patra Childress of the Keck School of Medicine at USC; Arko Ghosh of the USC Dornsife College of Letters, Arts and Sciences; Andreas Michalsen, Friedemann Paul and Markus Bock of Charité University Medicine Berlin; and Laura Piccio, Bryan Bollman and Anne Cross of Washington University School of Medicine.

The study was funded by the Fondazione Italiana Sclerosi Multipla (FISM; 2014/R/15); the U.S. Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs through the Multiple Sclerosis Research Program, (award number W81XWH-14-1-0156.). The mouse study was funded by National Institutes of Health/National Institute on Aging grant AG034906. The human study was funded by Meylin Projekt e.V. and Familie Ernst Wendt Stiftung Stadt Koeln. Paul’s work is funded by Deutsche Forschungsgemeinschaft (DFG Exc 257).

http://gero.usc.edu/faculty/longo/

Education
BS, University of North Texas, 1992
Ph.D., UCLA, 1997
Postdoctoral training, USC, 2000
Research
Cell Biology and genetics
Regulation of aging and multiple stress resistance systems in yeast and mammals
Alzheimer’s Disease.
Cancer
Diabetes
Overview

Dr. Longo is the Edna Jones Professor in Gerontology and Professor in Biological Science. He is also the Director of the USC Longevity Institute. He is interested in understanding the fundamental mechanisms of aging in yeast, mice and humans by using genetics and biochemistry techniques. He is also interested in identifying the molecular pathways conserved from simple organisms to humans that can be modulated to protect against multiple stresses and treat or prevent cancer , Alzheimer’s Disease and other diseases of aging. The focus is on the signal transduction pathways that regulate resistance to oxidative damage in yeast and mice.

Courses Taught
Bisc 461 Seminar in Molecular and Computational Biology (2, max 4, FaSp) Topical seminar in molecular and computational biology. Junior, senior or graduate standing.

GERO 498 Nutrition, Genes, Longevity and Diseases (4, Sm) Examines the role of nutrition and genes and the impact each has on longevity and diseases, particularly diseases related to aging. Offered in Genoa, Italy.

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I hope this information can be of some value to you - good luck!

[Drake]

All information is great, Bob!!! Many thanks, sir!!!