Question for the Economic Gurus

[DeusTrismegistus]

Oh yea the OP.

The US is still the worlds largest importer and exporter last I looked. This means the world relies on our economy for things they buy and to sell to us. We have a drop in economy and it scares the rest of the world.

Like I said in a post before and the article posted earlier somewhat coicides. The markets are based on speculation and nothing more than hope. When all hope is gone, so will all the false value from the speculators.

[Steve James]

Japan and Germany lost, though

Oh, really? If by Germany, you mean Hitler and the National Socialist Party, I don't think so. NAZI'ism was not a German invention and it certainly survived the end of WW2 and has been proliferating rapidly in the USA, England, and elsewhere.

Okay, you're right Mike. It's the Nazis who are doing all this. ER, or are they the ones suffering? There's no way to tell from your argument. "If by Germany, I mean..." C'mon, I speak and write English well enough to make that clear.

[Michael]

It wasn't really directed at you exactly and certainly your meaning and smiley were clear, but I'm connecting the dots. What was behind the NAZI's is exactly what's behind the US/global financial crisis happening now. It's the same elite banking families who own the private central banks of the Western world, who are the ones who created and funded Hitler and gave him a eugenics ideology, what they called a social science, which is what Nazism in Germany was—the execution of a social science agenda. So if you want to know what's going on now, it's what was going on before. The actors we see like Bush and Blair change a bit, but the families don't.

[Steve James]

Yeah, Mike, but the Nazis said thet the Jews were the world's bankers and the ones benefitting from Germany's misery. "THAT" fear and ignorant hatred was their rationalization. I.e., "they" thought that it was unfair that "they" were on the bottom, especially when the "lower orders" were on top. Yes, here in the US, it was very similar. If you want to talk about famous American Nazis, ok. Been studying that since the 60s, when you could get beaten up for saying ("by the mob" or the "police").

You're completely wrong that bankers gave Hitler his eugenics theory. Read "Mein Kampf". [Edit: read Chapter 10 "The Cause of the Collapse."]

You don't have to tell me that "ethnic cleansing", "apartheid", and "racial eugenics" began in the US.

[Michael]

Would you tell me about famous American Nazis, perhaps prior to WW2?

[Michael]

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[Steve James]

Well, there were the supporters like Henry Ford and Charles Lindberg, W.R. Hearst. Rhodes Davis was imporant to Hitler and the banks. I could probably name a few more off hand, if we just talked about prominent racists --who wouldn't join a bund, but who didn't think it was right for the US to fight in Europe. The KKK and the Nazis were pretty mainstream in the US between the wars.

Er, I'm not sure why you put Stalin up there. But, he was a nasty one, no doubt.

[Michael]

I put Stalin up there to show how the propaganda machine works and with the thought in mind that the US and UK installed Lenin, and then when Stalin took over, they installed Hitler to be played off against him.

Who started the KKK?

[Steve James]

Which KKK? The post-Civil War KKK started as a benevolent society for the aid of Confederate widows and orphans. It morphed into the "night riders" because the Federal gov't allowed blacks to vote, so they got into office. This threatened the unemployed ex-confederate states with "Negro Domination" which led to the charges of "uppityness" and the need to "keep them in their place." Thus, eventually came the "Jim Crow Laws" and "Plessy v. Ferguson" and American apartheid was established by law. That first KKK didn't really last.

The rebirth of the KKK came specifically after the film "Birth of a Nation" and the Wilson administration. (Wilson penned the introduction to the film, which basically argued why blacks had to be kept in their place in order to preserve the white Christian race). But, off the top of my head, the founder of this second KKK was a guy named Simpson. However, it wasn't really like the old KKK except in its racist ideology. Simpson made money selling the fancy outfits. No lie. It was a money-making operation that profited off regalia and souvenirs, flags, sheets, masks, badges. When I did my dissertation, I studied fraternal organizations. Often that is how the leaders make money.

The KKK came back --still off the top of my head-- during the Civil Rights period. I could look it up, but I think the leader then was a guy named Rockwell. This KKK resurgence was a reaction to the integration movement and the Supreme Court decisions. This group was much much smaller than the other incarnations, but it may have been the most violent. The Mississippi senate, iinm, was comprised mostly of its members. From there came the "Citizen's councils" etc. This KKK, btw, was the one that got violent with the "non-violent" protesters, and even threatened the FBI. Hoover didn't like that. So, that's where the story "Mississippi Burning" came from. The Bureau came down hard on them, often "extra-legally." (For my money, good on 'em too.) Anyway, that organization was pretty smashed because of the FBI and some sex scandals concerning Rockwell --again, I should check, but I'm too lazy.

The demise of that KKK brought with it the rise of other smaller, breakaway groups... W.A.R., the Christian Identity movement, the so-called Neo-nazis. David Duke was the leader of the now reduced KKK, iinm. He's still a politician. Then again, it's hard to find southern polititicians with no connection to the KKK. That's not bad, imo. I trust reformed Nazi and white supremacists way more than I do liberals who think they know what they're talking about when it comes to "those" people.

Oh, I just remembered. I show some of my classes a PBS documentary on the Klan. It'd probably be on youtube. I don't look those things up because I don't advertise racist thought. It's easy enough to find.

[Steve James]

Oops, Rockwell was with American Nazi Party, not the KKK. I did run into this list of groups, gathered by nation. Some of the names are interesting;

United States American Front · American Nazi Party · Aryan Brotherhood · Aryan Nations · Confederate Hammer Skins · Creativity Alliance · Creativity Movement · Forsyth County Defense League · Hammerskins · Imperial Klans of America · Ku Klux Klan · National Alliance (US) · National Association for the Advancement of White People · National Socialist Movement (US) · National Vanguard (US) · The Order · Posse Comitatus · Volksfront · White Aryan Resistance · White Citizens' Council · White Patriot Party

Canada Aryan Guard · Canadian Ethnic Cleansing Team · Canadian Heritage Alliance · Heritage Front · Nationalist Party of Canada · Northern Alliance · Tri-City Skins · Western Canada For Us

United Kingdom British National Front · Blood and Honour · Combat 18 · National Socialist Movement (UK)

South Africa Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging

Australia Creativity Alliance · Creativity Movement · National Action · Patriotic Youth League

Russia Russian National Unity

New Zealand Creativity Alliance (NZ) · New Zealand National Front


The "Canadian Ethnic Cleansing Team"? But, there are a whole lot of "nationals" and "patriotic" and "creativity', which makes the Canada one seem a lot more honest.

[Darth Rock&Roll]

I don't think any of those groups have any real power and they all pretty much are fringe criminal groups or highly unpopular political groups that don't actually ever get a seat at any table. You forgot to label a whack of american motorcycle gangs, or anywhere really, not to mention the other hate groups who model themselves on fascist ideals or fuel their political diatribes with hate and fascist ideals that have zero to do with the idea of naziism or white power and yet still practice virtually the same leanings.

[Steve James]

Hey, I wasn't claiming anything about them. There are probably some regular gangs in prison and on the street that have as many members. Mike U. brought up the Nazis. But, to me, "white power", "white supremacy", "KKK", "Nazism" are all the same. YMMV.

[Sprint]

It wasn't really directed at you exactly and certainly your meaning and smiley were clear, but I'm connecting the dots. What was behind the NAZI's is exactly what's behind the US/global financial crisis happening now. It's the same elite banking families who own the private central banks of the Western world, who are the ones who created and funded Hitler and gave him a eugenics ideology, what they called a social science, which is what Nazism in Germany was—the execution of a social science agenda. So if you want to know what's going on now, it's what was going on before. The actors we see like Bush and Blair change a bit, but the families don't.

Given that all of the banking institutions you are discussing are in Jewish hands, and so far as I can tell always have been, are you suggesting it was the Jews who deliberately ordered the extermination of other Jews in the Holocaust?

WTF?

[Darth Rock&Roll]

Did you know that IBM provided the system that accounted for, recorded and systematically numbered the Jewish people that were detained in concentration camps?
IBM hates the fact that there was a recently published book that exposed their part in the holocaust.

[GrahamB]

Tell it, Dave!

Don't forget Harry is also a Lizard man - its the icing on the cake! Lizard Nazi!

(That picture was a fancy dress party, b.t.w., in case you didn't realise...)