Obama the Terrorist

[Steve James]

Yeah, I remember the weather underground. Carzy white guys who wanted to blow up stuff. Otoh, they never did blow up a building like Oklahoma City Fed, and I'll betya that the ones who did won't be voting for Obama.

Unfortunately, in some ways, Obama is way more conservative when it comes to all this than not. But, ya know. Maybe we need some good terrorism around here, so that everybody remembers that we're all in the same boat.

Anyway, patriotism really is the last refuge of the scoundrel. It's gotta be pure desperation, and it's amazing, that it's come to this. Why not assume that he loves his country as much as anyone else?

Yep, he hangs out with terrorists. Maybe he even likes the guy. I say, if I were he, and it were true, I'd say "Yeah, he's my friend." Knowing full well that the idiots will say "See" ... He's a terrorist. I also think it'd be great if Obama said that he's proud of his middle name, and that those who don't like it should grow the fuck up. He doesn't have to be ashamed to have a Muslim name. That's just stupid. Thomas Jefferson had Syrian dna, so what?

[CaliG]

Freedom is what its all about. What do you have without it? Our freedoms have been constantly eroded the last decade or longer. So yea excuse me when I get pissed off that people that didn't make threats are investigated for it because they stated their opinion about Obama supporting killing. I would be just as pissed if it was a person called by the McCain campaign. Safety is not worth freedom. It is an illusory game that politicians play to gain more power. Bush and the republicans used it to get the Homeland security act passed, now bush and the dems got the economic disaster act passed. So yea excuse me if I don't want this idiotic thing we call a government having the power to detain people indefinitely without trial and without habeaus corpus. Excuse me if I think freedom of speech is being eroded and the people of this country are being herded like cattle through fear to give up the very rights millions have died for. FREEDOM is the MOST IMPORTANT thing in this country. Its worth dieing for, its worth fighting for, and it pisses me off when people use safety as an excuse to take it away.

Deus, was she even detained?

Sorry bro, I totally disagree. It's not about safety or freedom. It's about intelligence.

You don't go to airport and talk about bombs, you don't go to a crowded threater and yell out fire, and you don't start hollaring about killing to strangers on a phone.

I work with the public and if someone starts yelling about killing we call the cops. There are a lot of messed up people out there.

16 guys got into a plane and flew into a couple buildings and we start 2 wars, are you okay with that?

Btw, you don't seem to have any problems with young minorities being pulled over by the cops everyday. Why's that?

Also I'd add that there are innocent minorites on death row it FOX hollaring about that? I doubt it.

[DeusTrismegistus]

Yeah, I remember the weather underground. Carzy white guys who wanted to blow up stuff. Otoh, they never did blow up a building like Oklahoma City Fed, and I'll betya that the ones who did won't be voting for Obama.

Unfortunately, in some ways, Obama is way more conservative when it comes to all this than not. But, ya know. Maybe we need some good terrorism around here, so that everybody remembers that we're all in the same boat.

Anyway, patriotism really is the last refuge of the scoundrel. It's gotta be pure desperation, and it's amazing, that it's come to this. Why not assume that he loves his country as much as anyone else?

Yep, he hangs out with terrorists. Maybe he even likes the guy. I say, if I were he, and it were true, I'd say "Yeah, he's my friend." Knowing full well that the idiots will say "See" ... He's a terrorist. I also think it'd be great if Obama said that he's proud of his middle name, and that those who don't like it should grow the fuck up. He doesn't have to be ashamed to have a Muslim name. That's just stupid. Thomas Jefferson had Syrian dna, so what?

Don't get me wrong. I think anyone who holds Obama's name against him is retarded. You can't help your name.

What do you mean about patriotism being the last refuge of the scoundrel? Is that a response to my post?

The problem with assuming he loves america is that he has been associated with multiple people now who publically make statement that are not about loving america. Some people may turn to terrorism BECAUSE they love america. So yea you can't help your name. But you can help who you associate with. Like attracts like. If a person hangs out with terrorists, its probably because they have something in common. Who knows what though. However when there is a pattern, it makes you wonder.

So do I think Obama is a terrorist, nope. You have to commit an act of terrorism to be a terrorist. Unless the fact that the thought of him becoming potus terrifies me counts as terrorism, but I don't think it does. Do I think Obama is anti-american? I don't know. Part of me thinks just about all national politicians are anti-american the way they like to shit on the constitution.

[CaliG]

The problem with assuming he loves america is that he has been associated with multiple people now who publically make statement that are not about loving america. Some people may turn to terrorism BECAUSE they love america. So yea you can't help your name. But you can help who you associate with. Like attracts like. If a person hangs out with terrorists, its probably because they have something in common. Who knows what though. However when there is a pattern, it makes you wonder.

Hey Deus, if I were to say I don't love America would you stop associating with us?

It's a crazy argument bro. I have friends who have completely different politics from myself but that doesn't mean they aren't going to be my friends.

Perhaps Obama believes people have the freedom and liberty to think as they please.

After all isn't that what freedom and liberty is all about?

What's the point of living in a free society if you are going to be blacklisted because you have known, talked to, or god forbid been to a party thrown by some radicals?

Screw that, you are who you are. This whole guilt by association smells of the KGB to me.

[DeusTrismegistus]

Freedom is what its all about. What do you have without it? Our freedoms have been constantly eroded the last decade or longer. So yea excuse me when I get pissed off that people that didn't make threats are investigated for it because they stated their opinion about Obama supporting killing. I would be just as pissed if it was a person called by the McCain campaign. Safety is not worth freedom. It is an illusory game that politicians play to gain more power. Bush and the republicans used it to get the Homeland security act passed, now bush and the dems got the economic disaster act passed. So yea excuse me if I don't want this idiotic thing we call a government having the power to detain people indefinitely without trial and without habeaus corpus. Excuse me if I think freedom of speech is being eroded and the people of this country are being herded like cattle through fear to give up the very rights millions have died for. FREEDOM is the MOST IMPORTANT thing in this country. Its worth dieing for, its worth fighting for, and it pisses me off when people use safety as an excuse to take it away.

Deus, was she even detained?

Sorry bro, I totally disagree. It's not about safety or freedom. It's about intelligence.

You don't go to airport and talk about bombs, you don't go to a crowded threater and yell out fire, and you don't start hollaring about killing to strangers on a phone.

I work with the public and if someone starts yelling about killing we call the cops. There are a lot of messed up people out there.

16 guys got into a plane and flew into a couple buildings and we start 2 wars, are you okay with that?

Btw, you don't seem to have any problems with young minorities being pulled over by the cops everyday. Why's that?

Also I'd add that there are innocent minorites on death row it FOX hollaring about that? I doubt it.

If you are talking about racial profiling I disagree with it, but its not really pertinent to the discussion IMO. Should we really have to worry about the SS coming to our house if we express an opinion that included the word kill and telling us that "this will follow you for the rest of your life". As far as I know she wasn't detained but they did tell her that.

I don't view war like most people do. There is nothing, including war, that is evil in and of itself. Do I think the war in Afghanistan was justified? No, because we refused to investigate fully the possibility that 911 was an inside job designed by the Bush Admin to create a chance to invade the oil producing nations, get that pipeline built across afghanistan, and get control of Iraq's oil. So I don't think it has been adequately proven that we had a just cause to go after afghanistan. The war in Iraq, Same thing. I think it was wrong to go in under false pretenses, I think Bush knew they didn't have WMD. So yea I don't think those are Just Wars.

There are innocent people on death row of all races and classes. Its something that happens in this system, and any system. We should do everything possible to make sure it doesn't happen. The system we have is designed to minimize that risk.

[DeusTrismegistus]

The problem with assuming he loves america is that he has been associated with multiple people now who publically make statement that are not about loving america. Some people may turn to terrorism BECAUSE they love america. So yea you can't help your name. But you can help who you associate with. Like attracts like. If a person hangs out with terrorists, its probably because they have something in common. Who knows what though. However when there is a pattern, it makes you wonder.

Hey Deus, if I were to say I don't love America would you stop associating with us?

It's a crazy argument bro. I have friends who have completely different politics from myself but that doesn't mean they aren't going to be my friends.

Perhaps Obama believes people have the freedom and liberty to think as they please.

After all isn't that what freedom and liberty is all about?

What's the point of living in a free society if you are going to be blacklisted because you have known, talked to, or god forbid been to a party thrown by some radicals?

Screw that, you are who you are. This whole guilt by association smells of the KGB to me.

Its not guilt by association. It speaks of judgement. Especially if you are running for president. I really don't care if you don't love america. There are lots of things I don't love about this country, but I still love it. Which is why I get so worked up about some of these things. Obama wouldn't look nearly so bad if there wasn't money exchanging hands between him and Ayers and some other things. This isn't just a friend. This is a political contributer.

I believe people have the freedom and liberty to think as they please, but America has the freedom and liberty to not like someone or not trust them because of what they think and believe too.

[CaliG]

Maybe I've been out of the country too long, but any American who gets angry because the secret service asked someone questions about a phone call where they yelled about killing and hung up is just naive. Was it a misunderstanding? Yes, but how did the secret service know that?

I do love what this country is supposed to stand for but when guns are legal you have to investigate all types of threats as the Finns now know.

[Steve James]

Yeah, but you didn't say that Ayers had the right to say what he did because he's an American, didya? You aren't saying that he believes that stuff now, are you? I hang out with people who may have once been racists. It is guilt by association, purely. It's different from saying that Obama is a terrorist. I think Obama at the next debate ask McCain directly, "So, why do you think I'm un-American? Is it because of my name?"

No, the patriotism is the last refuge comment wasn't about you, specifically. It was directed at all those who are now draping themselves in the flag while they spear someone with it. It's the "last" refuge, not just a refuge. It's unfortunate that they can't think of anything else. Yeah, baby-killing is a bit better ... as if the Republican candidate is for women's rights and liberties. I mean, that's the historical American, no? "Freedom" is the ideal; restriction of liberties, based on race and gender, have been the rule. Sam Johnson made that comment, btw. There were also the complaints about women who wanted their rights to be "a ragged set, crying for liberty."

Not even the Black Panthers ever talked about killing politicians or people who disagreed with them. And, in fact, it was the Panthers as well as Civil Rights workers, labor organizers, gender spokesmen, etc., who have consistently been the victims.

Dayum, it's starting to feel like the 70s. I don't know whether that's good or bad, but it's exciting.

[CaliG]

How come the Republicans wants us to renounce Obama, but they don't renounce this shit?

McCain/Palin Crowd Getting Ugly
By Tommy Christopher
Oct 7th 2008 12:18PM

Palin's routine attacks on the media have begun to spill into ugliness. In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric's questions for her "less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media." At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy."

And, from Tapper:

This does not appear an isolated incident. Yesterday at a McCain rally, after McCain asked "Who is the real Barack Obama?" a member of the audience yelled "Terrorist!" And so on.

And, lest you think that these are reporters with active imaginations, ask yourself why the press is not allowed to mingle with the crowd at campaign events?

When reporters tried to leave the designated press area and head toward the bleachers where the crowd was seated, an escort would dart out of nowhere and confront him or her and say, "Can I help you?'' and turn the person around.

When one reporter asked an escort, who would not give her name, why the press wasn't allowed to mingle, she said that in the past, negative things had been written.

With Palin employing "Barack the Boogieman" rhetoric, and a speaker at her rally invoking the "Hussein" card, it's not hard to see why the McCain campaign wants the press to stay in their cage, but these things have a way of getting out of control. When these tensions flared during the primaries, the candidates wisely declared a truce, but there doesn't appear to be an olive branch in the offing this time.

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2 ... ing-ugly/4

[Dmitri]

Dayum, it's starting to feel like the 70s. I don't know whether that's good or bad, but it's exciting.

Indeed! The auto industry is already almost there, now all we need to make it even more exciting is to go back to that women's fashion...

[Fubo]

Mccain and Palin need to be careful about casting the first stone, continuing to cast stones and adding fuel to the anger of their mob, some of which are completely out of control, spewing outright disgusting and hateful rhetoric - All that does is illuminate the desperation of the sinking ship called the Mccain and Palin group.

[Darthwing Teorist]

This thread needs more Jack Bauer.

[Fubo]

This thread needs more Jack Bauer.

I'm looking forward to a new season of 24 - I wonder how the whole election and current political situation will play into it.

[Fubo]

I wonder what would happen if Obama went to a Mccain rally, and Mccain went to an Obama rally. With the way things are going with their crowds, it wouldn't be a far stretch to imagine Mccain receiving a pretty harsh critique, while Obama receives a lynching. The real question is how would the candidates react, and would Mccain try to stop it?

[CaliG]

[quote="Darthwing Teorist"]This thread needs more Jack Bauer.

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That's right. Jack Bauer will stop Obama from being president in fears that he's a terrorist, only to find out that McCain who is now president has his brain in under the control of the Vietcong!