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Posted: **Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:15 pm**

http://www.euronews.com/2014/07/31/fres ... -children/

I don't know how anyone could claim this as self-defense.

Posted: **Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:35 pm**

Hanity does:

http://youtu.be/xGhuh4CpSJI

Posted: **Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:36 pm**

Yep, that's my country.

Would be interesting to see the reaction if the roles were reversed.

Yeah, Israel should defend itself. But why not target those holding the rocket launchers?

The worst part is the US is about to give Israel billions for their missile defense shield.

Posted: **Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:53 pm**

Just when Hamas was on the verge of losing pretty much all its legitimacy, Netanyahu manages to prop them up again. Reminds me of how US efforts in the Iraq and such places as and Afghanistan are the greatest possible recruiting tool imaginable for the alleged enemies we're allegedly fighting in this alleged war that we allegedly did not start.

Posted: **Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:02 pm**

Isn't Hamas the elected government of Gaza?

Posted: **Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:31 pm**

Yes and their total failure at that has shown people in Gaza something useful, I think.

Posted: **Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:19 pm**

Michael wrote:Yes and their total failure at that has shown people in Gaza something useful, I think.

Things are relative! Many people see Hamas as a savior despite the obvious shelling they have done over the years to Israel! The Gazans live in a cesspool (literally and figuratively) based on Israeli despiction of them along with US support of Israel. That's the Game, so far

Posted: **Fri Aug 01, 2014 2:42 pm**

I see little virtue on either side in this.

Moreover, it is too damned bad the "international community" lacks the claws (or rather, the intent to use them) in this and other conflicts - Ukraine comes to mind.

Posted: **Fri Aug 01, 2014 3:53 pm**

Hamas needs to stop using Palestinians as pawns and human shields. They keep storing weapons and munitions in schools, mosques, hospitals and other civilian places -intentionally- so that Israel will be baited into attacking to destroy the weaponry. The IDF always sends announcements and warnings to the civilians first, though, via automated calls to cellphones, leaflets dropped in the neighborhoods, etc.

Posted: **Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:28 am**

Personally I don't think anyone has the right to shell someone because the other guy might have a weapons.

Besides how can it be proven one the site is destroyed?

A lot of war crimes going on right now. Reminds me of when the US Blackhawk helicopter shot up all those innocent people and nothing was done.

Posted: **Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:10 am**

grzegorz wrote:Reminds me of when the US Blackhawk helicopter shot up all those innocent people and nothing was done.

What was done was Bradley Manning was tortured for 3 years and then given a lengthy continuation of his prison sentence. A job well done for US foreign policy.

Posted: **Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:41 am**

Interloper wrote:Hamas needs to stop using Palestinians as pawns and human shields. They keep storing weapons and munitions in schools, mosques, hospitals and other civilian places -intentionally- so that Israel will be baited into attacking to destroy the weaponry. The IDF always sends announcements and warnings to the civilians first, though, via automated calls to cellphones, leaflets dropped in the neighborhoods, etc.

Where else are they supposed to stash their pea shooters. This is urban warfare. Its not a fair fight.

There is scant evidence that Hamas use civilians as human shields, that's a kind of media propaganda.

Fact is the Palestinians are indigenous people of the area, they are backs against the wall.

Israel is on a journey of self destruction. Perhaps its like psychologists keep telling us, that the abused make the best abusers. Tragic irony.

http://youtu.be/xrT2KtSzMd0

Rich

Posted: **Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:07 pm**

http://www.idfblog.com/blog/2014/08/04/ ... n-shields/

http://www.westernjournalism.com/son-ha ... istianity/

Posted: **Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:30 pm**

Dajenarit wrote:Isn't Hamas the elected government of Gaza?

In the January 2006 Palestinian parliamentary elections, Hamas won a decisive majority in the Palestinian Parliament,[10] defeating the PLO-affiliated Fatah party. Following the elections, the Quartet (the United States, Russia, United Nations and European Union) made future foreign assistance to the PA conditional upon the future government's commitment to non-violence, recognition of the state of Israel, and acceptance of previous agreements. Hamas resisted such changes, which led to the Quartet suspending its foreign assistance program and Israel imposing economic sanctions on the Hamas-led administration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

the US has a habit of talking about democracy, as long as it
conforms to it's way of thinking.

Fact is the Palestinians are indigenous people of the area, they are backs against the wall.

exactly , brought to you by the people who espouse free choice, as long as the choices are the ones
they want. 8-)

Posted: **Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:06 pm**

But doesn't a legally elected government have the right to bear arms and defend itself, to create a standing army for protection under international law? The whole situation stinks of hyprocrisy.

How do you ask for and enforce a nonviolence clause on a sovereign state? Gaza isn't sovereign of course but in theory...

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