Interloper posts another article as Israel shells schools

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Re: Interloper posts another article as Israel shells schools

Postby Finny on Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:44 pm

Interloper wrote:You know, Israel is surrounded by 22 million Arabs and Persian Muslims who want to wipe it off the map. Meanwhile, they do squat to help their fellow Arabs living in Gaza and the West Bank, and in fact expressed the wish for Israel to get rid of Hamas for them.

You and others with your viewpoint show your ignorance of the subject, when you conflate Israel's desire to live with some bizarre idea of ethnic cleansing. It's the Arabs that want to "ethnically cleanse" Israel of Jews and to take all of the Levant for Arab settlement. If you read the manifests of Hamas and all its backers, that's precisely what they say. Get a clue, Dejanerit.


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Re: Interloper posts another article as Israel shells schools

Postby Dajenarit on Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:47 pm

Just for the people who think Israel won some kind of glorious war.


“ Nation of Cowards: What else can you fairly call a people who attack a population of refugees confined to a small space surrounded on every side by fences and machine-gun towers, a population with nowhere to run? No, that is not put strongly enough. Not just attack, but use the latest and most ferocious weapons from the American arsenal to slaughter more than 2100 people, including more than 500 children, destroying along the way a major portion of the housing, businesses, and institutions of a poor people."


John Chuckman

The definition of a coward is not the traditional military one of a soldier who won’t fight. No, that’s far too simplistic and self-serving. The genuine meaning of the word, the meaning that warrants our full sense of revulsion and contempt, is someone who attacks someone far weaker than themselves. A large man who beats a woman or a child with his fists or a policeman who clubs a handcuffed prisoner – that is the accurate and meaningful definition of the word. And the people of Israel responsible for Operation Protective Edge are as sadly perfect examples of genuine cowards as you can find in the world.



What remarkable courage it takes – outfitted as the IDF is with Kevlar armor, the latest intelligence gadgets, satellites, radios, support of every imaginable kind, and immensely powerful weapons (they even get hot pizzas delivered as they pause in their gruesome work) – to shoot people who cannot run away, are often poorly fed and clothed, and who mostly have no weapons. And the courage of the Israeli pilots who make bombing runs over homes, schools, apartments, and stores from the safety of their supersonic fighters is surely remarkable. They remind me of the American pilots who shot and incinerated countless retreating Iraqi soldiers in the (engineered) First Gulf War while the television broadcasts caught their gleeful shouts of “Wow, it’s just like shooting fish in a barrel!”



Yes, Americans are the only comparable example of Israel’s cowardice, the Americans who literally enable Israel’s savagery but also themselves have given the world the best part of half a century of savagery abroad, the deaths of literally millions of civilians in half a dozen countries – deaths by carpet bombing, napalm, missiles, white phosphorus, various poisons, and the razor-like shards of cluster bombs.



The United States, like Israel, is never called to account for the worst record on the planet of mass killing and destruction. You simply cannot name a contemporary criminal enterprise or a so-called terrorist organization which has a record so steeped in horrors as those two.

Wholesale death inflicted with utter disregard for international law and custom has become standard policy for both countries. Yes, there are always excuses for mass murder, the weasel words such as communists or terrorists or dictators and weapons of mass destruction (Americans ironically being the only people on earth who actually used them, twice, on civilians) – all of them having no more real meaning than Stalin’s chillingwreckers, a word he used to signal his creatures that it was time for a new bloody purge. In some cases those purged were simply people Stalin did not like or of whom he felt jealous, but in most cases of the millions smashed or consigned to hell on earth, the only motive was to terrify a population into submission, and that is exactly what Israel’s motive is for its periodic massacres of Palestinians and Lebanese.



Anyone of moderate intelligence who reads and thinks must know Israel is in no danger from anyone, least of all the Palestinians who have no organized army, no navy, and no air force, not to mention very little of anything else. Israel is armed to the teeth with conventional and non-conventional weapons, it leans back arrogantly into the arms of super-power America and plays the victim in a land it victimizes, and it functions as a garrison state whose major purpose is to hold down and make miserable millions of people who happen not to be Jewish, all the while hoping they will one day pick up and leave. It is absurd to say Israel’s security is endangered by anyone, and especially by the hopeless, lifetime prisoners of Palestine.



Turning a blind eye to the Holocaust three-quarters of a century ago was an unforgivable thing, but in at least one very real sense, it is now even more culpable the way the West turns a blind eye to Israel’s horrors. The Holocaust was perpetrated in great secrecy, and there was no Internet or international media equipped with satellites to tell the world what was happening. There was no United Nations or other international organizations watching. Today, what Israel does is everywhere to be seen. People in America eat their suppers watching Israeli jets bombing homes. Without much effort you can find images of Palestinian children with portions of their heads missing. And we all saw the Israelis from Sderot sit in lawn chairs on a bluff in the evening breeze laughing and applauding as women and children writhed in agony far below much like ants being stepped on.
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Re: Interloper posts another article as Israel shells schools

Postby Interloper on Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:09 pm

http://www.timesofisrael.com/priest-tel ... of-israel/

Priest tells UNHRC to ‘end witch hunt’ of Israel
Israeli Arab Father Gabriel Naddaf says the Jewish state ‘is the only place where Christians in the Middle East are safe’


A Greek Orthodox priest from Israel defended the Jewish state before the UN Human Rights Council on Tuesday, arguing that it is the only country in the Middle East where Christians are not persecuted, and imploring the 47 member nations to “end your witch hunt of the only free country in the region.”

“In the Middle East today, there is one country where Christianity is not only not persecuted, but affectionately granted freedom of expression, freedom of worship and security,” Father Gabriel Naddaf said.


“It is Israel, the Jewish state. Israel is the only place where Christians in the Middle East are safe.”

According to Naddaf, some 120,000 Christians have been killed each year in the Middle East for the last decade. “That means that every five minutes a Christian is killed because of his faith,” he said. “Those who can escape persecution at the hands of Muslim extremists have fled. Those who remain, exist as second- if not third-class citizens to their Muslim rulers.”

Naddaf, who heads the Greek Orthodox Church in Yafia near Nazareth, maintained it “is time the world woke up to the fact that those who want to destroy the Jewish state are signing the death warrant on the last free Christians in the Holy Land.

“Leaders of people, seekers of peace, end your witch hunt of the only free country in the region,” he added.

Naddaf was brought to Geneva to testify on the plight of Christian minorities by The Face of Israel, a public diplomacy organization that’s affiliated with the Foreign Ministry.

Naddaf has become a controversial figure in Israel since joining the Forum for Drafting the Christian Community in October 2012 and for openly calling on Israel Christians to serve in the IDF. His activities have drawn criticism from Arab MKs as well as threats against his family.

In December 2013, his son was assaulted and hospitalized because of his father’s views.

Naddaf was asked by the Forum to serve as a spiritual guide, along with two other clerics. But the other two dropped out following a campaign of intimidation, leaving Naddaf alone at the helm.
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Re: Interloper posts another article as Israel shells schools

Postby Interloper on Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:49 pm

Moroccan Poet: Arab World is Imperialist, ‘Palestine’ is Jewish
Outspoken poet angers Arab countrymen by provocatively quipping that Arabs ‘are more Zionist than the Jews.


An outspoken Moroccan poet has angered many of her countrymen by accusing the Arab world of imperialism and defending the Jewish people’s right to a homeland in Israel.
In an interview with Med Radio last week Malika Mezzane, who is an ethnic Amazigh (or Berber), challenged the official line in the Arab world, where tiny Israel is accused of being “expansionist” and where Zionism – the movement for Jewish self-determination – is bizarrely equated with imperialism.
Asserting that it was in fact the Arab world which had pursued expansionist policies, Mezzane quipped that according to their own definition of the term, “Arabs are more Zionists than the Jews.”
The Arab world, she said, believed that it was “God’s chosen people, and they have the right to extend their territory, at the expense of other nations.”
Mezzane’s own people, the Amazigh, are one of the indigenous non-Arab nations of northern Africa which who were conquered and subjugated by the invading Arab armies during the Muslim conquest in the seventh century.
Since then they have been subjected to persecution and periodic campaigns of cultural and physical ethnic-cleansing at the hands of Arab rulers in the region. In some cases, Amazigh calls for self-determination have been rejected by Arab states as somehow representative of “western imperialism” – a perverse inversion of the reality similarly employed by anti-Zionists against the Jewish state.
Further infuriating her listeners, Mezzane insisted that the Jews were justified in establishing “their state in Palestine, since it’s their homeland.”
“We have never heard that Alaska or Australia was the homeland of the Jewish people. It’s the Arab people who exceeded their borders in order to establish the so-called Islamic Arab World, at the expense of the Jewish nation,” said Malika Mezzane.
The poet’s comments were decried as “provocative“, with many Arab Moroccans taking to Facebook to denounce her views. She has previously caused controversy by voicing staunch support for the Kurds, another indigenous non-Arab nation fighting for its rights in the Middle East in the face of hostility and concerted attacks by its Arab neighbors.

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Re: Interloper posts another article as Israel shells schools

Postby Alexatron on Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:48 am

Personally I love reading the comments on posted news articles - it can be very entertaining.
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Re: Interloper posts another article as Israel shells schools

Postby Steve James on Wed Sep 24, 2014 7:33 am

Um, imo, "Arab" is much too broad a category to be meaningful. An "Arab" is someone who speaks Arabic. There are plenty of Christian Arabs --and they have been around longer than Islam has existed. So, it's fine as a casual catch all for non-Jewish middle-Easterners; but it leads to easily to generalizations about those people and their predominant religion. Clearly, they don't all agree. I do believe, however, that more of them (and people in general) criticize Israel because of its political policies and policing actions than for its predominant religion. But, they also tend to use stereotypes to make their arguments.

Israel will always be surrounded by Arab neighbors. That, in itself, cannot be a justification or argument for anything. It's just a linguistic fact that Arabs cannot control.
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