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Re: Police brutality?

Postby grzegorz on Thu Jul 14, 2016 10:12 am

Yeah, they are definitely trying to harass people from posting videos of police incidents. In the Baton Rouge case they detained the store owner for five hours in the back of the police car while they waited for a warrant to take his store's video camera.
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Re: Police brutality?

Postby Steve James on Fri Jul 15, 2016 7:33 am

Why do you think this law was implemented?
NEW LAW MAKES POLICE CAM FOOTAGE OFF LIMITS TO PUBLIC

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Re: Police brutality?

Postby grzegorz on Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:50 am

Yes, the laws around filming the police are different states by state this has been going on for a long time now with more laws favoring or essentially protecting the police. Funny logic that governor has, laws are better than no laws, and I thought Republicans were for less government.
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Re: Police brutality?

Postby Steve James on Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:33 am

Ironically, when attention was first being paid to police shootings, the recommendation was for more body cameras --to show what "really" happened, so that police wouldn't be unfairly blamed. Anyway, of course, the next law will be that non-police videos won't be permitted in court. It's also interesting to note that there are more cctv cameras than ever.
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Re: Police brutality?

Postby windwalker on Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:43 pm

grzegorz wrote:Yes, the laws around filming the police are different states by state this has been going on for a long time now with more laws favoring or essentially protecting the police. Funny logic that governor has, laws are better than no laws, and I thought Republicans were for less government.


This works both ways,,,the point I would think that once something becomes a police matter.
Who has the right to film and use the film, to either support or deny an event...

I would say its for protecting the presumption of innocence to include the person being filmed or the police until its decided in a court of law,,,not the public court of Utube.

What if the police released videos of people they stopped , would anyone here want them to do this?

With facial recognition soft ware something that's already being challenged to protect ones civil rights.. An officer walking around with a camera attached to him is essentially another source for surveillance whether actively used or not....An Office walks in to make an arrest scans the area just by looking around, this makes it possible to ID everyone there whether they want to be ID'd or not..

One threat is the fact that facial recognition, in combination with wider use of video surveillance, would be likely to grow increasingly invasive over time. Once installed, this kind of a surveillance system rarely remains confined to its original purpose. New ways of using it suggest themselves, the authorities or operators find them to be an irresistible expansion of their power, and citizens' privacy suffers another blow.




think about it

btw: it will come, the tech is here already and will only get better.
Then there will be laws or people trying to prevent it ;)
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Re: Police brutality?

Postby Michael on Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:28 pm

The news report shows a policeman saying that police footage shouldn't be available because what if they go to a domestic disturbance and the lady is undressed. I don't know the details of this law and exactly how North Carolina handles release of video, but there are a few ways to deal with the problem of someone being undressed, such as pixelation of the entirety of the person to make them completely unrecognizable. This feature of the technology is easy to implement.

As far as the problem of police body cams becoming general surveillance tools that could be misused, one way to prevent that is that the video would not be released on simple request without there being an incident recorded, so you couldn't just dump terabytes of police video into your personal or corporate facial recognition database. I'm sure there are other ways to deal with the problems I'm unaware of, but the surveillance issue is society-wide and a general concern we have to figure out. It's already been going on for maybe 20 years on the video front, longer on audio, less time on other tech like cell phone location, etc., so it's not a new thing and I don't think it's a reason to reduce the transparency of the police.

I think this restriction on release of video is just another push back from police who don't want to be held accountable. That is the prevailing attitude and its really strong in those departments with a lot of problems, whereas I've seen some of the ones with better training are willing to be scrutinized. Maybe they understand that being more transparent makes sense because the people will trust you more and it creates a safe situation for both sides, as well as being a police-force wide accountability tool for police management. Body cams are a way to enforce high standards from a police management perspective as well.
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Re: Police brutality?

Postby Steve James on Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:45 pm

Contrary to ... whatever

Why Police Say Body Cameras Can Help Heal Divide With Public

The 75 police officers of the Parker Police Department favor wearing cameras on their body to capture encounters with citizens.

“I don’t know if you could find one officer who would want to go back to not having body cameras,” said Cmdr. Chris Peters, who designed Parker’s body camera program, which is approaching its one-year anniversary in September. “Any officer who is doing the right thing on a daily basis would want to have a camera on them. What the camera provides is an unbiased third-party account, and helps reduce the amount of questions of what happened.”

The fatal police shootings of black men in Louisiana and Minnesota earlier this month have renewed focus on the debate over supervising police and citizen interactions.

Even before those incidents, the Parker Police Department, a small force representing 50,000 people in a mostly white, affluent suburb of Denver, was not the only law enforcement agency embracing body cameras.

Some, like the Salt Lake City Police Department, acted even before the fatal police shooting two years ago of a black teenager in Ferguson, Missouri. The officer was not charged in that case, and critics argued that had he worn a body camera, there would have been a clearer account of what happened.

In May 2012, the Salt Lake City Police Department, which serves Utah’s capital city and its large Latino and refugee population, equipped two patrol officers with body cameras.

Today, 372 officers wear cameras—including detectives—attaching them to their collar, helmet, or sunglasses.

>>>Personal Experience Convinced Sen. Tim Scott on Need for Police Body Cameras

The cameras have proven not only popular but successful, the department says, in helping limit the kind of forceful interactions between police and citizens that have sparked a divide between law enforcement and minority communities.

“When we talk to our officers about body cameras, we tell them we have to be transparent with our community,” said Salt Lake City’s Assistant Police Chief Tim Doubt, who noted that use of force complaints from citizens have dropped from 40-50 per year in 2008 to 2010, to six in 2014, and 18 last year.

“We are part of the community, they are part of us, and we have to show them that the bad things that come out on YouTube from cellphone video are outliers,” Doubt added. “In this country we’ve lost trust in the last couple of years with the public, and that body camera helps tell more of the truth.”

Early Results

Though research is in its infancy, some studies have shown that the use of body cameras can reduce use of force by officers and complaints by the public.

The San Diego Police Department is a rare agency that has released a study on its body camera program.

In July 2014, the department deployed cameras to 871 officers. A first-year investigation of the program revealed mixed results.

According to a copy of the study obtained by The Daily Signal, citizen complaints against officers decreased 23 percent from the year before the department began using body cameras, to a year after.

However, officer use of force incidents increased 10 percent in that time period.

Meanwhile, a study of the Rialto Police Department in California showed that when officers began using body cameras, use of force by police dropped 59 percent, and citizen complaints against them fell 87 percent.

Travis Easter, the media relations coordinator for the San Diego Police Department, said it’s too early to connect body cameras to police and citizen behavior.

But Easter, who used to wear a body camera when he worked in the field, said it’s not too soon to try and make a difference.

“Everytime I contact somebody I have an affect on their opinion of law enforcement, whether good or bad,” Easter told The Daily Signal. “That can change given how the contact with an officer goes. If officers and citizens are being watched, we are both more liable to do the right thing.”

Policy Pickle

But as body cameras become an accepted norm of modern policing, law enforcement agencies are facing challenges over related issues such as privacy, transparency, and performance.

The trickiness of body cameras was shown during last week’s deadly police shooting of Alton Sterling in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

Police officials said after the shooting that body cameras worn by the two police officers involved fell out of position during the altercation, resulting in poor quality video unlikely to be useful in an investigation.

In another officer-involved shooting last week, the officer who killed Philando Castile during a traffic stop in Falcon Heights, Minnesota, was not wearing a body camera. Castile’s girlfriend used her phone to film the aftermath of the shooting on Facebook Live.

The above is from a local newspaper. http://dailysignal.com/2016/07/18/why-p ... th-public/

But, here's a general google search result on "police demand body cams." https://www.google.com/search?q=police+ ... e&ie=UTF-8

Afa privacy, once the police get involved, it's not private anymore. But, I highly doubt that this law was introduced because of a citizen complaint. Don't ask why.
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Re: Police brutality?

Postby Michael on Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:23 pm

I would love to have it shown by body cams and transparency in law enforcement that policing in the USA can be safer for everyone and that the extreme cases that make the news are statistical anomalies, and if they're not, then I'd love to see how body cams will make them so in the future.

Maybe there's some details in the NC law that allow prudent release of video.
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Re: Police brutality?

Postby Steve James on Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:52 pm

The problem now is that cameras have become daily wear for the public. Between those and cctv and car cams, cop cams will be redundant. Afa the NC law, though, they don't say that they're giving up body cams, only that the footage isn't public. This simply allows the police to decide what they release, as opposed to "freedom of information" laws that require them to be released. By itself, the law might be innocuous. But, the way it usually works is that there is an incremental increase in restrictions until it's a recognizable police state.
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Re: Police brutality?

Postby Michael on Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:17 pm

Between those and cctv and car cams, cop cams will be redundant.

That's how I see it happening.
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Re: Police brutality?

Postby grzegorz on Sat Aug 13, 2016 12:27 am

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Re: Police brutality?

Postby Michael on Sat Aug 13, 2016 10:16 am

US Justice Dept. releases damning report on Baltimore PD.

Democracy Now


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owlQr03cxp8

The Young Turks (a very concise video synopsis without sarcasm, thankfully)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQPvO0oZzDA
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Re: Police brutality?

Postby Taste of Death on Sat Aug 13, 2016 10:30 am

Michael wrote:US Justice Dept. releases damning report on Baltimore PD.

Democracy Now


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owlQr03cxp8

The Young Turks (a very concise video synopsis without sarcasm, thankfully)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQPvO0oZzDA


Rudy Giuliani releases damning report on DOJ. :-\
http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/08/10/fox-giuliani-calls-doj-political-arm-obama-administration-after-agency-finds-police-bias-baltimore/212313
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Re: Police brutality?

Postby Michael on Sat Aug 13, 2016 10:51 am

Giuliani does not have anything specific to say about the DOJ report on the Baltimore PD. Not a single thing. Only relevant words are about the acquittals of the officers in the Freddie Gray case. All the rest are attacks on the credibility of the DOJ, of course while patting himself on the back for things he did decades ago when he was in the DOJ and it was better. And the interview finishes with a couple of minutes criticizing Hillary.
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Re: Police brutality?

Postby Taste of Death on Sat Aug 13, 2016 12:41 pm

Michael wrote:Giuliani does not have anything specific to say about the DOJ report on the Baltimore PD. Not a single thing. Only relevant words are about the acquittals of the officers in the Freddie Gray case. All the rest are attacks on the credibility of the DOJ, of course while patting himself on the back for things he did decades ago when he was in the DOJ and it was better. And the interview finishes with a couple of minutes criticizing Hillary.


I was joking. Rudy is the devil.

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