I imagine resisting arrest in China or virtually any other country would end a lot worse for most people on average than the U.S.
Steve James wrote:Ok, for the bjj guys. Is this considered a "choke" or something else?
Btw, in American freestyle and greco wrestling, it would be and would be considered illegal --or should I say "against the rules." As I've said, it's not really about the hold itself, but what happened afterward. I'm just curious how people would categorize it. It's not a face lock or even a neck crank submission. And yeah, I can see that 's not the classic "rear naked." I'm just asking.
The forbidden chokehold used by a cop to take down a Staten Island man in a deadly encounter Thursday did not damage his windpipe or neck bones, sources said./quote]
did I miss something?But a source close to the Medical Examiner’s investigation said coroners are also investigating whether the chokehold still contributed to Garner’s death by aggravating his pre-existing conditions of obesity, asthma and possible heart disease. He died of cardiac arrest in the ambulance on the way to the hospital.
http://nypost.com/2014/07/19/man-in-cho ... e-autopsy/And, as I said, the question for me is why he wasn't given care once he was done if he was obviously in distress.
because at the time maybe he didnt need it.He died of cardiac arrest in the ambulance on the way to the hospital
because at the time maybe he didnt need it.
Mr. Garner refused to comply? Should the officers have said, "oh well it's just cigarettes" next time, "oh well" it's just a gun and the perp doesn't want to go, so should the officers should just walk away?
The officers were addressing complaints about the "infraction" as a quality of life in a shit area.(by the way Mr. Garner was not new to the system and he was well aware of the ramifications of resisting) If you look close at the televised photo, that was "not" a choke hold, the Officer's wrist was bent eliminating forearm to throat. With that said Mr. Aviano25, this was a sad loss of life but "fully" controlled by Mr. Garner, if Mr. Garner would have simply "complied" like dozens of other perps, they would still be alive. When you resist, this creates a dangerous situation for both the officer and the perp.
I can name quickly two dozen deaths that resulted in the non-compliance of the perp.
Resistance in the "street" when placed under arrest is "not" the venue for anyone to voice their resistance, there is a system in place to deal with that, Mr. Garner chose to resist and unfortunately he (Mr. Garner) knew of his illness, the officers did not, Mr. Garner knew damn well that there would be a confrontation and he chose that instead of compliance.
God Bless The NYPD...
If you look close at the televised photo, that was "not" a choke hold, the Officer's wrist was bent eliminating forearm to throat. With that said Mr. Aviano25, this was a sad loss of life but "fully" controlled by Mr. Garner, if Mr. Garner would have simply "complied" like dozens of other perps, they would still be alive.
Resistance in the "street" when placed under arrest is "not" the venue for anyone to voice their resistance, there is a system in place to deal with that
Peacedog wrote:About 400 people die per year in the US at the hands of the police. That is in a county of 315 million. So, your odds of dying are about 1 in 750000. About 30000 people die each year in auto accidents or 90 people PER day.
If you can speak, you can breathe.
Race hustling asshats are driving this issue. I imagine resisting arrest in China or virtually any other country would end a lot worse for most people on average than the U.S.
no,,it was as far as I've read not used.
The forbidden chokehold used by a cop to take down a Staten Island man in a deadly encounter Thursday did not damage his windpipe or neck bones, sources said./quote]
did I miss something?
More than a month later, the city medical examiner ruled Garner’s death a homicide, noting that the chokehold had contributed to his death. The chokehold is prohibited by New York Police Department policy.
grzegorz wrote:
grzegorz wrote:More than a month later, the city medical examiner ruled Garner’s death a homicide, noting that the chokehold had contributed to his death. The chokehold is prohibited by New York Police Department policy.
Thus the title of the thread.
http://www.longislandpress.com/2014/12/ ... oke-death/
But that's fine, I gave it a new, better and a more appropriate title.grzegorz wrote:
interesting how the man getting indicted for filming the police had his video removed.
Despite his contention of a frame-up, Ramsey Orta’s testimony didn’t sway a grand jury, which indicted him on weapon charges, stemming from an Aug. 2 arrest, it was revealed in court Friday.
Orta, 22, who filmed an NYPD officer’s fatal chokehold of Eric Garner last month, pleaded not guilty at his arraignment in state Supreme Court, St. George.
Cops allege Orta stuffed an unloaded .25 caliber handgun into the waistband of Alba Lekaj, 17, outside the Hotel Richmond at 71 Central Ave., St. George, two weeks ago. Officers recovered the weapon, said police.
The defendant contends the charges are trumped up in retaliation for filming the Garner incident on July 17 in Tompkinsville.
Read more at http://thedailybanter.com/2014/12/cours ... OKRPVDU.99
which indicted him on weapon charges, stemming from an Aug. 2 arrest
the charges are trumped up in retaliation for filming the Garner incident on July 17 in Tompkinsville.
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