Immigrant Song

[Steve James]

Well, weather and food are not the main reasons people emigrate. People leave tropical paradises every day to come to the US and Canada in winter to work. We know they're paradise because they are where people from the US and Canada go on vacation

Now, no disrespect, but I doubt anyone goes form Poland to England (or vice versa) for the weather

[liokault]

anyway Poland is in the EU, so they can freely travel and looking for better job opportunity.
Here we have still hard time to find something with decent payment,
it`s getting better , dough
but
too slow...

Indeed you are in the EU, they real question is should you be.

No one expected you to be in such a bad state that you would hemorage your youth into the better organised countries.

No one expected, when voting for a closer trade block, that the UK would suddenly have to pay benefits for kids still in Poland, kids that have never been to the UK.

[grzegorz]

Perhaps if the English actually honored their treaties and attacked the Axis in 1939 things would be different.

As far as weather I prefer Mediterranean climates.

[Steve James]

Made me think of my favorite Polish singer, and my favorite song. It relates to the topic (and the weather).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_PIvgDgYUM
So, peace.

[grzegorz]

My point Lio was that people don't go to a country because they love it there, they go because they believe they will have more opportunities there (as they say in the movie below, "People go where the work is."). Unfortunately often times these people are exploited because they are migrants.

Here is one of many examples, documenting the abuse that happens to migrant farmers in my country and although they literally put food on our tables the politicians (and some citizens) often label them as all things evil.

Watch "Food Chains - Trailer" on YouTube

https://youtu.be/lqZLrXVAde4

[wiesiek]

it may be interesting to know not only for liok.,
that
Polish kingdom was always been very tolerant for different tribes and religions,
even before WWII, in Warszawa, Jews was 1/3 of total population! for example.
In Krakow we have two big district with Jewish roots,
contemporary our emigration camps are takin` about 3000 refugees a year, lot of them are Muslims from Caucasus ...

Great Britain, well
in the WWII case - great shit, they and FRance betrayed Poland,
and Adolph and Stalin could eat Poland easily on the beginning.
but
regardless of it, lot Polish pilots gets away to the Albion, mostly. They made great contribution for air Battle for Britain,
remember Winston's famous phrase, after the victory?

SO, be thankful liokalut for the Polans tribe, they pay lot of blood and lives best brothers, just for the "west freedom",
now you may freely travel thru the fog,
lookin` for you know what.

last word about the welfare :
you still didn`t get my message -
suckers, thieves or simply dishonest fox, - aren`t glue to one nationality, or region of the world.

[liokault]

I don't know, I can't help but think that:

1, If you had stood up at the start of ww2, lost of people wouldn't have died, and you wouldn't have to write posts about how you were a victim of history.

2, The irony of one poor economic migrant being considered valued, by one of his own nation, whilst another economic migrant, with at least as long a history of interaction with Europe as Poland, is considered a worthless fraud, is strong.

[wiesiek]

ach, well,
what you don`t know , you simply don`t know,
again
, in every nation you have whole bunch of characters.
You just be missing, that I not price one emigrant over another - worthless shit is everywhere, like everywhere you can find flowers growing over ,or... hidden gold....
BUT
all Polaks , me included ,/or 99% of them/ HAVE actual passport and visas if needed./
AND
crossed the border
LEGALLY
during WWII situation was geopolitically different /however, most of them still had the passports /
if
you unable to see difference i`m speechless .
Anyway I m unaware about any military pact with Syria and any EU country. I may don`t know everything , so feel freely to enlighten me in that matter, of course.
thank you!

[wiesiek]

PS
I just get the info abot the contemporary "emigrants" payments:
crossing Sahara - 1700 $
ticket on dinghy to cross Mediterranean Sea -1500$
+
you need some money for food etc
so any of them has to own 4000$ at list,

in Poland it is ~~15, 000 zloty
as much as you need to easy live whole year here ,
IF somebody here is able to save such sum in year or two don`t even think about work abroad!

[Steve James]

Poland did stand up and never surrendered.

Poland did stand up, but eventually did surrender. However, France and Britain had already declared war on Germany and had promised earlier to defend Poland. They didn't.

[Steve James]

PS
I just get the info abot the contemporary "emigrants" payments:
crossing Sahara - 1700 $
ticket on dinghy to cross Mediterranean Sea -1500$

Some of them are even dying or losing their children in the attempt. So, I'm not sure that they're doing it for the money. And, if the migrants have that much to leave, I guess the people who stay must be doing really, really well ... or not.

Btw, for most of my life, comedians here would make jokes about the Poles all the time. The Irish, Italians, and Brits were stereotyped, but there were no "How many Brits does it take you screw in a lightbulb?" jokes. Anyway, it died down by the 80s, and now -Thankfully- it's not considered pc.

[grzegorz]

Poland did stand up and never surrendered.

Poland did stand up, but eventually did surrender. However, France and Britain had already declared war on Germany and had promised earlier to defend Poland. They didn't.

The government did surrender but the Poles themselves never stopped fighting. From the streets of Warsaw, to Monte Casino, to code breakers, to fighter pilots the war continued for the Poles. People are well aware of the French Resistance but few are aware of the Polish Resistance probably because rather than being celebrated, after the war, many were persecuted and demonized under Soviet rule.

[Steve James]

The government did surrender but the Poles themselves never stopped fighting.

All you say is true. Poles also fought in the RAF, and were sometimes attacked by Brits when they were shot down. Anyway, I never meant to diminish the contributions of Poles.

[grzegorz]

No worries, I appreciate the correction.

I wasn't aware of what the RAF did to downed Polish pilots.

[liokault]

Poland did stand up and never surrendered.

Poland did stand up, but eventually did surrender. However, France and Britain had already declared war on Germany and had promised earlier to defend Poland. They didn't.

I'm not sure I'm following your logic here...Britain needed Poland to remain standing long enough for us to have something left to defend.

No one expected, including the Poles, that they would fall over in a matter of weeks. How long do you think it would take the Brits to mobilise into Poland?