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grzegorz wrote:It probably is, I was using the Dutch model.
I understand partly where you are coming from. I hear people ask why they don't shoot the leg but the fact is they always shoot to kill.
windwalker wrote:I was hoping that you would help to make it more clear that the perception of what is filmed is not always what happened as shown by number of high profile cases that didn't go the way the news media hyped it to be. There are a number of other shootings that dont fit the narrative not reported or are under reported dont make the national news.
Laws concerning officer shootings are not always as clear as one would think...the media and those that profit from it have a lot to do with peoples perceptions of what should be vs according to rule of law that they are held to...
Having had to work in jobs where fire arms were required there was a host of things that one would not normally think about that if acted on could be used against one in a court of law.
There are a number of other shootings that dont fit the narrative not reported or are under reported dont make the national news.
Steve James wrote:in fact they try to weed out people who shoot innocent people.
They're to weed out those people. But, to be fair, 90% of officers never discharge their weapons. It's not just about the training.
Michael wrote:When I grew up in Dallas, there were some cops, not many, who literally put notches on their service revolvers for each "person" they shot. There was a recognizable trend regarding the pattern of differential pigmentation between the shooters and the shootees.
An analysis released last week shows that more white people died at the hands of law enforcement than those of any other race in the last two years, even as the Justice Department, social-justice groups and media coverage focus on black victims of police force.
windwalker wrote:An analysis released last week shows that more white people died at the hands of law enforcement than those of any other race in the last two years, even as the Justice Department, social-justice groups and media coverage focus on black victims of police force.
I just note what seems to be either an omission or a narrative that seems to be being promoted here with out another view to balance it against.
Steve James wrote:Don't be frustrated, Mike. Often one has to dig out what someone means from the words he or she writes. Sometimes, though, the meaning becomes clearer by reading the absences and spaces "in between the lines." Back in the day, they called it "deconstruction." In short, the words are bricks, and the meaning is the glue. Culture, circumstances, conditioning and other things create that glue.
Anyway, people recognize when the glue becomes its own code. Hence, "inner city," "urban," "hoodie," and "police" are more than words. Even sayings like "America First" and "Make America One" have different meanings to different people. It's just like that here Try substituting Germany or Iran in those phrases, and I'll bet opinions may differ on how "good" and "right" those concepts are.
windwalker wrote:Michael wrote:When I grew up in Dallas, there were some cops, not many, who literally put notches on their service revolvers for each "person" they shot. There was a recognizable trend regarding the pattern of differential pigmentation between the shooters and the shootees.
gots to have a bogyman
I call BS on the shit you just wrote. Prove it
When It Comes To Illegal Drug Use, White America Does The Crime, Black America Gets The Time
White Americans are more likely than black Americans to have used most kinds of illegal drugs, including cocaine, marijuana and LSD. Yet blacks are far more likely to go to prison for drug offenses.
This discrepancy forms the backdrop of a new legislative proposal in California, which aims to reduce the disproportionate incarceration of black people in the state. Supporters of the bill, SB 649, point to some striking national data.
Nearly 20 percent of whites have used cocaine, compared with 10 percent of blacks and Latinos, according to a 2011 survey from the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration — the most recent data available.
Higher percentages of whites have also tried hallucinogens, marijuana, pain relievers like OxyContin, and stimulants like methamphetamine, according to the survey. Crack is more popular among blacks than whites, but not by much.
Still, blacks are arrested for drug possession more than three times as often as whites, according to a 2009 report from the advocacy group Human Rights Watch.
Of the 225,242 people who were serving time in state prisons for drug offenses in 2011, blacks made up 45 percent and whites comprised just 30 percent, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics.
Jamie Fellner, author of the Human Rights Watch report, offered an explanation for this discrepancy.
“The race issue isn’t just that the judge is going, ‘Oh, black man, I’m gonna sentence you higher,’” she said. “The police go into low-income minority neighborhoods and that’s where they make most of their drug arrests. If they arrest you, now you have a ‘prior,’ so if you plead or get arrested again, you’re gonna have a higher sentence. There’s a kind of cumulative effect.”
Lawmakers in California hope to blunt that effect. Last week, both houses of the state legislature passed SB 649, which would give judges and prosecutors the option of charging people convicted of drug offenses with misdemeanors instead of felonies. Those offenders could then be sent to substance abuse treatment centers instead of prison or jail.
Supporters of the bill, including its author, state Sen. Mark Leno (D-San Francisco), note that black adults represent one-quarter of all felony drug arrests in California, despite comprising just 5 percent of the state population.
“One can take it to conspiratorial or racist theories or not,” Leno told HuffPost. “The motivation I don’t think needs to be determined. The results are the same: Our policy and lawmaking perpetuate a chronic underclass of citizens.”
Former prisoners who were convicted of felonies often face steep official barriers to “the very things that are needed to keep one successful in recovery,” he added — namely, education, housing and employment.
The federal government can deny public housing assistance to anyone who has been convicted of a felony drug offense. Students who have been convicted of drug possession are barred from receiving federal financial aid and substantial education tax credits. And employers often require applicants to disclose their criminal histories, despite a growing nationwide movement to ban that practice.
Not all drug offenses in California automatically result in felony charges. Methamphetamine, LSD and certain other drugs are known as “wobblers,” meaning that possession of those drugs can be charged as a felony or a misdemeanor. The new bill would basically extend this “wobbler” approach to heroin, cocaine and most other drugs. Blacks use heroin and cocaine more than they use meth and LSD, which are primarily used by whites.
In recent years, states from New York to Texas have adopted reforms that resemble SB 649, and leaders across the political spectrum have pushed for changes to the country’s drug sentencing policies. In August, Attorney General Eric Holder announced that the Justice Department would no longer pursue mandatory minimum sentences for certain low-level drug offenders, citing “shameful” racial disparities in the criminal justice system.
Yet some drug reform advocates worry that Gov. Jerry Brown (D) might not sign the California measure, noting that he has often seemed reluctant to embrace progressive criminal justice policies.
Like other reforms aimed at reducing California’s prison population, SB 649 could help relieve the state’s budgetary woes, supporters say. Drug sentencing policies are widely blamed for the enormous size and costs of the country’s prison systems. And few prison systems are bigger or more expensive than California’s.
At the height of America’s war on drugs, from the 1980s through the mid-2000s, more than 20 prisons opened in California, compared with just 12 between 1852 and 1984. California’s prison population increased more than fivefold in the later decades, and prisons now cost the state’s taxpayers close to $10 billion a year.
Steve James wrote:However, get used to Black people complaining when they're shot with their hands up attempting to comply.
Michael wrote:windwalker wrote:Michael wrote:When I grew up in Dallas, there were some cops, not many, who literally put notches on their service revolvers for each "person" they shot. There was a recognizable trend regarding the pattern of differential pigmentation between the shooters and the shootees.
gots to have a bogyman
I call BS on the shit you just wrote. Prove it
Good on you for defending the police. Just don't be such a smug, passive-aggressive pussy about it and act like no one here understands the training issue or departmental policy.
After some vicious beat-downs and shootings by Dallas police in the early 80's, I saw a local news report on TV that featured one of the cops who notches his gun.
Rivera offered an explanation Thursday, saying that the police officer opened fire because he thought the white individual, whom they later learned is a man with autism, was going to harm Kinsey.
"This wasn't a mistake in the sense that the officer shot the wrong guy or he thought that Kinsey was the bad guy," he said in a press conference Thursday.
"The movement of the white individual made it look like he was going to discharge a fire arm into Mr. Kinsey and the officer discharged trying to strike and stop the white man and unfortunately, he missed the white male and shot Mr. Kinsey by accident."
Rivera said that the video footage of the incident was "being portrayed poorly."
North Miami police said the officer opened fire after attempting to negotiate. Kinsey and his attorney said that the police explanation doesn't add up. State authorities said they're investigating the incident.
The unidentified officer has been placed on administrative leave and he issued a statement in form of a text message, which was read aloud to the media by Rivera.
"I took this job to save lives and help people," according to the officer's text statement. "I did what I had to do in a split-second to accomplish that, and hate to hear others paint me as something I'm not."
North Miami city manager Larry M. Spring said Officer Jonathan Aledda is responsible for mistakenly shooting Charles Kinsey while the therapist rushed to the aid of his troubled patient.
Retired firearms expert Robert Hoelscher, who spent 50 years with the Miami-Dade Police Department, said it’s hard to perceive how the situation was misjudged, but it was — grossly.
“I wish there was something positive I could say. You arrive on scene and a guy’s playing with a toy truck. Why do you bring out the assault rifle?” Hoelscher asked. “You can’t get enough training when you’re dealing with lethal force. This is as bad a situation as I’ve ever seen. It’s a good thing he was obviously a lousy marksman.”
Rivera, at the end of his press conference Thursday, read from a statement he said was from Aledda.
“I took this job to save lives and help people,” the officer said. “I did what I had to do in a split second to accomplish that and hate to hear others paint me as something that I’m not.”
windwalker wrote:always ends up as an attack. nice, almost text book
lets start by I dont defend the police. I do question and try to understand view points which seem very different then my own.
If presented with facts in a rational way I would and have changed my views,,,I do look at both sides
wiesiek wrote:some oil on the waves,
In the case - if this thread covers not only US shooting -
Munich moll ...
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