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Postby KEND on Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:12 am

Recently saw Spectre. Its Ok as far as bond films are concerned, not a great[FRWL etc] but with usual car chases and a spectacular opening and a passable list of villains [Batista of WWF fame reprising Oddjob, and Belluci making a brief but memorable appearance before the more standard blond bond girl enters the scene. Daniel Craig fits the role like a well cut suit, which he invariably wears with shirt and tie [Savile not ArmanI].
There are rumors that he will be soon quitting the role, the big question for his fans is who will replace him. The usual suspects, Owens, Owens, Hardy, Fassbinder, Huddlestone and a black Bond, Idris Alba [Luther] have been mentioned,
A few more suggestions:
A female Bond, Jeanne, Janet, Gemma, how about Ronda Rousey for the role
Why not go in another direction, a gay Bond, or , in keeping with the latest trends, a transsexual Bond [Caitlin Bond?]
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Re: SPECTRE

Postby Bao on Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:42 am

KEND wrote:There are rumors that he will be soon quitting the role, the big question for his fans is who will replace him. The usual suspects, Owens, Owens, Hardy, Fassbinder, Huddlestone and a black Bond, Idris Alba [Luther] have been mentioned,
A few more suggestions:Jeanne, Janet, Gemma, how about Ronda Rousey for the role
Why not go in another direction, a gay Bond, or , in keeping with the latest trends, a transsexual Bond [Caitlin Bond?]


This was the last film he had to make to fulfill the obligations in his contact. He has repeatedly said that he hate playing Bond and would rather commit suicide than go on making more Bond movies.

I would like to see a Female counterpart in new films, but not Bond. It could be 003, 005, 009, I don't care, but just don't call her James Bond or 007.

The producers seem to want Iris Alba. They could make him gay or transsexuell as well. That could be interesting, but I doubt they would be brave enough. ;)
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Re: SPECTRE

Postby Steve James on Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:00 am

It's more than likely that some future Bond will be at least bisexual. I think a homosexual Bond would lose the male audience. Afa ethnicity, the guy who invented our idea of Bond is a Scot, and the Aussie and the Irishman didn't do too badly. Craig is good, but he's not Fleming's idea of Bond. Afa a Black Bond, I think it's as likely as a Black Dr. Who, though more likely than a Black Snow White. All are fantasy characters that exist in peoples' imaginations. So, most men --regardless of color-- can identify with the Bond image and fantasize about being him. In the real world, however, there are agents that span the same range of human sexual preferences. Some may have even done lewd acts with pigs, and more than one has probably had to pretend to be sexually interested --at least-- with a person because of his or her job.

"James Bond" could easily be a code name assigned to an agent. I know there have been Black men named James Bond before the novels or films were known. Now, there might a problem if the agent is Asian, but even that could be explained in a plot. Remember that there was a Black Felix Leiter :).
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Re: SPECTRE

Postby shawnsegler on Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:32 am

Out of the current crop of available talented actors I'd put in my vote for James Purefoy for the next bond.

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Re: SPECTRE

Postby Steve James on Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:02 pm

Sean Connery: Snob Ian Fleming didn't want me to play Bond

SIR SEAN CONNERY has attacked James Bond’s creator Ian Fleming as a snob because the author was “not that happy” at the working class Scot playing 007.

By DEREK LAMBIE & HENRY FITZHERBERT
PUBLISHED: 00:00, Sun, Oct 19, 2008

It emerged recently that Fleming drew up a shortlist of seven actors for the part including Cary Grant and David Niven, but not Connery.

Now Sir Sean has revealed more about tension behind the scenes as cameras started rolling on the first Bond film in 1961.

In an interview with Melvin Bragg to be shown on the South Bank Show on Wednesday, Sir Sean says he had little time for the secret agent’s creator.

He says: “I never got introduced to Fleming until I was well into the movie but I know he was not happy with me as the choice.

“What was it he called me, or told somebody? That I was an over-developed stunt man. He never said it to me. When I did eventually meet him he was very interesting, erudite and a snob – a real snob.

“But his company was very good for a limited time for me.”

Fleming’s first choice of actor to play 007 in Dr No, the first Bond book to reach the big screen, was Cary Grant – but he was too expensive.

David Niven, James Mason, Patrick McGoohan, Rex Harrison, Richard Burton and Stewart Granger were also on his list. Niven turned down the role because he felt he was too old.

Sir Sean, who confesses he was surprised to get the part, says: “They couldn’t afford most of the people they wanted. That was the start. They were seeing people, they were advertising in the papers. Then they brought me in to see them and they wanted me.”

Sir Sean’s performance won Fleming over and in later books he gave 007 a partly Scots ancestry.

Sir Sean tells the South Bank Show he was convinced that the Bond movies – the 22nd, Quantum of Solace, is released at the end of the month – were doomed to failure.

“Anybody that says it was going to be a success is lying. I must say that from the beginning. I think about it quite a bit. If I see it on a screen I think, yeah, they could have done this better or that better.”

He says he believes now that the series can continue for years. “The ingredients are all there for a kind of movie that people want to see. It’s very good, entertaining value. It’s a spectrum of actors, from myself to Daniel Craig, who I thought was fantastic in the role.”

In the programme Craig says he was knocked for six by protests that greeted his casting in 2005.

Craig, 40, who had previously starred in gangster drama Layer Cake, was denounced as too ugly, too blond and a wimp.

He said he decided then: “The only way forward is just to create something very memorable and if it doesn’t work I’ll move on.”

The doubters were silenced as Casino Royale was released to rave reviews and a record box office return, earning £300million. It transformed Craig into a sex symbol, due in part to the image of him striding from the sea in trunks.

He tells Bragg the sequence came about by accident as a sand bank at the location in the Bahamas prevented him from swimming ashore.

“I had no idea I’d be haunted by it for the rest of my life,” he says.
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Re: SPECTRE

Postby Dmitri on Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:59 pm

Bao wrote:I would like to see a Female counterpart in new films, but not Bond. It could be 003, 005, 009, I don't care, but just don't call her James Bond or 007.

Maybe "7 of 9"?

Nevermind, wrong show...
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Re: SPECTRE

Postby Bao on Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:07 pm

Dmitri wrote:
Bao wrote:I would like to see a Female counterpart in new films, but not Bond. It could be 003, 005, 009, I don't care, but just don't call her James Bond or 007.

Maybe "7 of 9"?

Nevermind, wrong show...


;D ... A great body can never be a wrong show ;)

I would love to see Ralph Fiennes as Bond, I couldn't think about anyone better. But they already screw that up... :P
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Re: SPECTRE

Postby yeniseri on Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:46 pm

Steve James wrote:It's more than likely that some future Bond will be at least bisexual. I think a homosexual Bond would lose the male audience. Leiter :).


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Re: SPECTRE

Postby lazyboxer on Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:24 pm

Bao wrote:I would like to see a Female counterpart in new films

In my new screenplay for the next Bond film, 007 falls in love with Madame Fumiko Horikawa, the beautiful and exotic manager of an exclusive Mayfair BDSM dungeon. Bond, now aged 75 and a regular client, successfully recovers his flagging libido thanks to her superior roping skills and decides to come out of retirement. He offers his services in the latest MI6 recruitment drive but is disappointed to learn that assassination is no longer an instrument of British Government policy, Moneypenny, Q and M are all long since dead and no-one has a clue who he is any more. The only course left open for him is to team up with the gifted and cruel Mistress Horikawa and go freelance. The rest of the film is about how they kick a lot of ass together.

KEND wrote:There are rumors that he will be soon quitting the role, the big question for his fans is who will replace him. The usual suspects, Owens, Owens, Hardy, Fassbinder, Huddlestone and a black Bond, Idris Alba [Luther] have been mentioned


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Re: SPECTRE

Postby KEND on Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:03 am

Now Specter's gone not too many villains left, maybe they will franchise it out to other countries, following came to mind:
N Korean dictator playing Kim Jong Bond fighting the capitalist scum, Donald Trump plays Mr T, complete with white cat, there will be 100 Bond girls-all hot Asians with scary martial skills
Bollywood, Shiva Bond dances past the deadly hail of bullets from Ali G, a beef eating separatist, skewers him with a dart from his third eye while performing the 18th move of Kama Sutra with his adoring consort
French [new wave], Jean Bond, four star chef, connoisseur of fine wines and lover extraordinaire debates his German adversary on the fine points of neo structuralism before incinerating him with an improvised cognac Molotov cocktail
Finally Chinese, set in the Song dynasty, Bond Li fights off hundreds of opponents led by the dastardly eunuch Hu Yu, using his trusty chop sticks, marries a Mongol princess and changes his name to Bond Khan
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Re: SPECTRE

Postby D_Glenn on Thu Nov 12, 2015 7:40 am

Steve James wrote:It's more than likely that some future Bond will be at least bisexual.

Didn't the last movie sort of address that issue? (During a conversation with the villain played by Javier Bardem.)

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Re: SPECTRE

Postby Michael on Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:33 am

Steve James wrote:It's more than likely that some future Bond will be at least bisexual.

His mission: get married in Kentucky, with extreme prejudice!
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Re: SPECTRE

Postby Andy_S on Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:04 pm

I thought SPECTRE was excellent:
Craig is the coldest, most arrogant Bond ever;
Very convincing in the action; and very convincing as a killer;
Craig's Bond has ditched the farcical quips of the Moore Bond - instead, Craig snarls laconic one-liners;
The chief enemy lunk was excellent, though underused;
The sets and locations, cars and suits, were top notch;
Mendes' direction was austere but driven.
Oddly, the best line in the film - perhaps the best line in any Bond film - went to M, rather than Bond.

The only downsides were the surfing airplane and the final helicopter scenes, which I though were overly silly. (Even given the usual suspension of disbelief we extend to 007.)

As for the next Bond:
I am not enthused by any of them, bar Elba, who I think could pull it off - he has the look - though I don't see any reason to make a specific issue of his "blackness:" I mean, for FFS, this is the 21st century.
Or, just possibly, Christian Bale.
For some reason, the casting agents have not been in touch with yours truly.

Never knew until I read the pasted link that Richard Burton was a possible to play an early Bond.

THAT would have something to see. (And hear)
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Re: SPECTRE

Postby Andy_S on Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:07 pm

RE: The Next Bond Villain
We have had Cold War Russians, cunning Chinese, cruel North Koreans, evil drug barons, power-crazed media moguls, a big chap with metal teeth - even a hitman with an extra nipple.

There is, however, one rather large elephant standing in the room (drum roll) please:

Why have we never seen Bond take on....

....Islamic super-terrorists?
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Re: SPECTRE

Postby KEND on Tue Nov 17, 2015 4:37 am

You are right about M's comment, [I silently mouthed the obvious], The ending in some ways was a bit of a letdown, as it often is, the tied up heroine harks back to the Perils of Pauline', the car chase excellent [but has to go further to equal Die Hard's helicopter scene]. As you said Craig owns the role[ like the Jason Statham character he seems to have an inexhaustible supply of suits]. I think Idris would be an excellent Bond but hardly what Fleming had in mind, [he had a problem with Connery not being old school tieish] 'Shaken not stirred WTF.
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