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Re: BREXIT

Postby vadaga on Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:16 am

@Gzregorz - there are many Polish people here in Ireland already - largest group of EU immigrants...I am not complaining...
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Re: BREXIT

Postby grzegorz on Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:19 pm

Yeah, that's what I hear. When my wife was there to train the new employees she made it a point to tell them she was Polish and she owned them. LOL! Since Poles usually did only the entry level jobs.

It's interesting, my wife and I often make comparisons to Poles and Mexicans and sure enough now they both have the experience of being the unwanted immigrant in different parts of the world.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby KEND on Mon Jul 11, 2016 1:03 pm

Meanwhile across the channel and you are worried about BREXIT


'France is totally bankrupt':
French jobs minister Michel Sapin embarrasses Francois Hollande with shocking statement on state of the country's economy
Unexpected news came during a radio interview yesterday and calls into further question Hollande's controversial 'tax and spend' policies
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Tuesday 29 January 2013
Michel Sapin and Francois Hollande Reuters; Getty
France’s employment minister Michel Sapin has admitted the country is “totally bankrupt”.
The unexpected news came during a radio interview yesterday and is thought to have sent the country’s business leaders into a state of shock.
“There is a state but it is a totally bankrupt state,” Mr Sapin said. “That is why we had to put a deficit reduction plan in place, and nothing should make us turn away from that objective.”
Mr Sapin’s “totally bankrupt” statement is likely to cause huge embarrassment for President Francois Hollande, who will be left to undo the potential damage to his socialist government’s reputation.
It also calls into further question Hollande’s controversial “tax and spend” policies that have seen numerous entrepreneurs and high profile celebrities leave the country.
The comments came as President Hollande attempts to improve the image of the French economy after pledging to reduce the country’s deficit by cutting spending by €60bn (£51.5bn) over the next five years and increasing taxes by €20bn (£17bn).
Among those who moved their wealth out of France are Hollywood star Gerard Depardieu and the country's richest man Bernard Arnault.
There are even reports that Nicolas Sarkozy, the previous President of France, is preparing to move to London with his wife Carla Bruni for economic reasons.
Prime Minister David Cameron has previously said that Britain will “roll out the red carpet” to attract wealthy French people.
Pierre Moscovici, France's finance minister, immediately tried to play down Mr Sapin's comments, saying they were 'inappropriate'.
Mr Moscovici said: “France is a really solvent country. France is a really credible country, France is a country that is starting to recover.”


PORTUGAL DEFICITS
French minister says Portugal should be spared from EU sanctions
French Finance Minister Michel Sapin has said today (July 11) that “Portugal does not deserve to be punished with sanctions” for having failed to meet its deficit targets for 2015.
“Portugal has made monstrous efforts in these last years. It does not deserve excessive discipline,” Sapin told journalists during a press conference in Paris before leaving for an ECOFIN meeting in Brussels.
"One cannot say Portugal hasn't made all the appropriate efforts,” he added.
According to the minister, Portugal’s inability to meet its deficit targets was due to its “obligation to bailout a bank (Banif) in December”.
As Reuters explains today, “the European Commission began formal disciplinary procedures against Portugal and Spain last week over excessive deficits in 2014 and 2015, and EU finance ministers will make a decision based on the executive's recommendation at a meeting on Tuesday”.
The international news agency adds that “EU budget penalties have never yet been enforced and it is unclear whether they will be imposed this time. France itself has repeatedly benefited from EU leniency over its own breaches of the bloc's public finances rules”.
For now, the support of France is a good sign that Portugal may be spared from the sanctions.
Portuguese Prime Minister António Costa has said many times that the sanctions would be “unfair” and “unjustified” and denied that the government is working on a plan B if
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Re: BREXIT

Postby grzegorz on Mon Jul 11, 2016 1:59 pm

The UK is going to go the same way the only difference is people voted for it.

Expats have been hit particularly hard.

http://www.bbc.com/capital/story/201606 ... -overnight

Anyway, if we vote in Trump I expect other people to bust the balls of every American they see.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby grzegorz on Mon Jul 11, 2016 2:02 pm

cloudz wrote:No need to apologize, it's old news. Your entertainment industry though, I can forgive it all for a good episode of GOT :)


I know a lot of Brits and other Europeans who love it here and have no plans going back (myself included), to each his own. I got a small jungle in my backyard of avocado, citrus trees and other fruit trees and veggies, most of which could never happen in the UK.

I think Brits do really well here with their accent making them exotic to employers.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby KEND on Tue Jul 12, 2016 2:47 am

It seems we are hearing about all the bad things that can happen to expats, as if the country they are in has to conform to their wishes. Having lived and worked in several countries I learnt one lesson, don't whine, do what you have to do to survive, learn the system, get qualified and be prepared to move on. I am sure the old China hands here didn't get it easy when they first arrived, stifling bureaucracy is common to most countries. In the article the person is complaining that a change in rates means she cant send as much home, bid deal, wait until you are in a country where the government changes and the foreigners are shunned, not sporadic outbreaks but overall policy. The european free borders was unique and outsiders did not benefit from it, when you travel you get used to passport controls and changed currency, its a pain not to be able to use the euro as a common currency, its a pain not to be able to go and work where you like but not the end of the world or the destruction of youth' in the UK. The world is hard --get used to it
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Re: BREXIT

Postby grzegorz on Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:45 am

I don't believe they were whining anymore than the Brit on here with a German wife living in South America. People usually complain when problems are man made and why shouldn't they?

I remember when one Brit here went to a local bank and told me, "They're treating me like a f***ing foreigner!" But the fact is he is a f***ing foreigner as he put it.

Brits love complaining. Why should expats living there be any different?

Actually the Brits I hear complaining the loudest are the ones still living in the EU who have no desire to return to England and are waiting to figure out how this will effect their immigration status while people at home wave their flags and sing God saved the Queen.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby Steve James on Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:01 am

There's little doubt that England and the other UK members will survive. If they don't, it won't be because of the Brexit. However, the push and pull forces that cause peoples to move from one place to another will not change. Immigration because of lack of opportunity and over-population in Europe is why there's an "America." Creating opportunities will be the key.

Anyway, whining about whinging is as bad as whining ;). Try wining in the meantime.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby Steve Rowe on Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:06 am

Looking at all the backstabbing and politics in both main parties post Brexit here in the UK it's nothing compared to English Karate politics over the past 50 years. :)
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Re: BREXIT

Postby grzegorz on Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:26 pm

Polish family's Plymouth home damaged in 'race hate arson attack'

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-devon-36737529
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Re: BREXIT

Postby KEND on Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:27 am

Well, all over, May is PM, I have reservations but by all reports [for what they are worth] she is a solid choice. Her appointment of Boris shows she is serious about Brexit and not afraid of criticism. Meanwhile in the opposition self immolation continues with everyone except the union leader wanting a piece of Corbyn.
Meanwhile in Europe the Nice attack will probably add fuel to the right wing and its anti immigrant policy
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Re: BREXIT

Postby KEND on Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:47 am

As a final release from the corrupt bureaucracy in Brussels this might be of interest to the health conscious

BREXIT: A LUCKY ESCAPE FROM THE VITAMIN LAWS
Whether or not you’re for or against Brexit, there’s one undeniable area where Britain has an opportunity to improve things: the natural health and supplements market. Back in 2000, the Brussels European Commission declared that there was a wide disparity between the laws of individual EU members on the dosages allowed for vitamin supplements. In France and Germany, for instance, no products containing more than one to three times the RDA could be sold without a pharmaceutical license, while the UK and the Netherlands had always enjoyed liberal laws relating to the content of vitamins, with few trade restrictions across other European countries. The effect of this was that, in certain countries of Europe, local suppliers had to stand by watching helplessly, their hands tied by their own stringent laws, while British exporters declare open season on their local vitamin business. It was amid such a climate of obvious trade disparity that the EU suggested a directive which would standardize laws concerning vitamin supplements all across Europe and protect consumers. The EU also wished to create a standardized market for health foods and supplements under the guise of setting a universal standard of safety. So far, so good.
In the hands of giants
Although painted with a consumerist face, these directives were patently about creating a level commercial playing field. They would allow the big vitamin giants to sell their products across Europe without having to reformulate them to comply with the requirements of individual countries. This meant that cheap low-grade products could be produced in bulk quantities at even cheaper cost and with greater profits. The directive sought to create a single market for food supplements through several means, including devising a list of ingredients which may be used in supplements, creating common maximum permitted levels of these nutrients, providing common criteria for purity and labeling, and requiring that all member states prohibit any trade in products not complying with the directive. One of the main issues of the directive centered on the use of a 'positive list' of permitted ingredients. At the end of the directive, a list is attached of nutrients which are approved for inclusion in food supplements.
According to Dr Rob Verkerk, director of the Alliance for Natural Health and an internationally acclaimed expert on the effect of the EU laws on the natural products industry, the end result of this directive has ‘prevented legal sale of many hundreds of mineral forms, including all forms of silver and vanadium.
The positive list
But the most worrying portion of the directive concerned the criteria for determining permitted levels of nutrients – still to be decided.
In making their determination, the European Commission indicated that it will take into account the highest intake shown to be safe before adverse events appear, plus the intake of nutrients from a 'normal' diet, plus the intake from 'fortified foods'. They've also indicated that they will subtract some amounts just to be on the safe side.
This means in practice is that the levels will be set well below levels demonstrated to be therapeutically effective.
For instance, what may finally emerge is a level of B6 as low as 5 mg. This would mean that British women taking 50-100 mg of B6 for PMS per day would have to swallow 10 to 20 vitamin pills every day just to maintain the levels they are used to.
There are 11 more directives like this, which include:
• The Human Medicinal Products Directive. This gave the EU a legal framework to classify any product as ‘medicinal’ (and therefore a drug) if there is any evidence that it actually helps anyone – and therefore be subject to the same sort of massively expensive testing and proof required of drugs.
• The Traditional Herbal Directive, which has cleared off the shelves of health stores any traditional herbal remedy without at least 15 years of safe use in the EU and some with a mix of herbs.
• The Nutrition and Health Claims Regulation, which has banned more than 2000 health claims with extremely plausible evidence, and so has essentially prevented the health industry from telling consumers that their products have any benefit whatsoever.
• The Food Information for Consumers Regulation, which clearly encourages consumers to opt for highly processed foods because they will have more labeling information than natural foods.
• The Pesticides Residue Regulation. This insidious law both mandates the use of the known carcinogenic pesticide glyphosate and ignores the combined effects of multiple pesticides.
As Rob Verkerk wrote recently, the EU’s ‘convoluted law-making process commission often means that you start with laws that are totally justifiable’ but then ‘the laws get pulled, pushed, squeezed and distorted by a plethora of different interests over the lengthy time they are processed in the EU’s law-making sausage factory.’
Above all, he says, the law-making process ‘is stage-managed by the European Commission that is well known for running rough-shod over the last remnants of the democratic process. Compromise packages are the name of the game, and they typically involve back-room deals between Commissioners, rapporteurs and whichever Big Business sector has made the best case for why its interests need protecting over and above any public health interests or fundamental public freedoms.’
All of these laws reveal the heavy hand of the Big Pharma and Big Food industry lobbies to a shameful degree.
One of the first tasks of the new British government will be to extricate itself from these overly restrictive laws and revitalize the innovative health industry.
This will involve disbanding the positive list, studying the huge evidence of the benefits of high-dose supplements, relaxing some of the restrictions on herbal medicine, and disassociating Britain’s health industry from many of the restrictive definitions that essentially ban many products with an enormous amount of evidence.
Now is the time for organizations in the natural industry and all interested consumers to shout loudly about reform. If you want to have full access to natural health products, share this blog, write about this widely and encourage your British friends to write to their MP.
At last the British government is able to listen.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby grzegorz on Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:58 am

Well here you can sell anything herbal and people buy anything herbal as long as no direct health benefits are claimed (which is why they say things like "think clearly") so often times because it is unregulated you are actually just buying whatever they decided to put into those pills that day when these things are tested in a lab. So who's right?

Personally, I believe that very few health supplements are actually helpful at all and that a healthy lifestyle with lots of fruits and veggies will give one much better results than anything out there made in a factory. For example Moringa alone is probably more of a health supplement than anything else you will find and it grows naturally on trees. For the most part I believe most herbs are a sham unless they come from a credible herbalist who knows there stuff and created something especially for a specific individual.

For those who buy herbal and health supplements the prices will go down but sometimes you get what you pay for.
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Re: BREXIT

Postby KEND on Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:27 pm

Like any other product, buyer beware. If you have been involved with healthy living for a while you become aware of the better companies. That being said I was a long time user of Chinese herbs but I wouldn't touch anything coming in from the mainland with barge pole
On the debit side of brexit it looks as if atomic energy is raising its ugly discredited head and GMO's are a possibility. [Bayer bought out Monsanto so they could be introduced into the EU] Batten down the hatches
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Re: BREXIT

Postby KEND on Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:19 am

Hollande tells May that free movement across borders is mandatory. When I last checked H was president of france not the EU. So he should STFU and attend to his own problems, which may in part be due to open borders and poor cooperation of security within the EU
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