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the best teaching is softness

Postby windwalker on Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:17 pm

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Re: the best teaching is softness

Postby Ian on Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:09 am

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Re: the best teaching is softness

Postby Dmitri on Wed Apr 13, 2016 5:29 am

Wow that's intense
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Re: the best teaching is softness

Postby windwalker on Wed Apr 13, 2016 6:22 am


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40NB_2Z ... tml5=False

This shows a little of his history.
I like his work, wonder if anyone here has met with him.

Of those in Taiwan, does the history check out?


John opened the British T’ai Chi Ch’uan Association in 1970 and started teaching, mainly to train up people to Push Hands with. In 1977, after his principle teacher, Chi Chiang-tao (Dr Chi) had spent over a year in London bringing John up to a high level, he started teaching in a big way, with beginner’s classes commencing monthly, until 1993. It is estimated that from 1977 to 1993 John taught over 10,000 students.

From 1991 to the present John has spent most his time researching and investigating the new Heartwork – the principles of which have sprung mainly from his Icelandic teacher, though the physical manifestation is still largely Tai Chi.

http://www.johnkells.co.uk/?page_id=30
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Re: the best teaching is softness

Postby Ian on Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:19 pm

Dmitri wrote:Wow that's intense


So is this. Wow.



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Re: the best teaching is softness

Postby windwalker on Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:27 pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyx5ymlqf_8

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Re: the best teaching is softness

Postby Dmitri on Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:07 am

Ian, is the second clip of your last post addressed to me, or to the OP?
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Re: the best teaching is softness

Postby Ian on Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:08 am

The OP. John Kells.

Unless this type of thing is commonly accepted now...
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Re: the best teaching is softness

Postby windwalker on Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:13 am

Ian wrote:The OP. John Kells.

Unless this type of thing is commonly accepted now...


let me help you

Contact John Kells
John Kells is back teaching publicly, if you are interested or have any questions please contact John Kells directly.

email: [email protected]
mobile: +44 (0) 7906 814594


http://www.johnkells.co.uk/?page_id=99

looks like he would address most questions
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Re: the best teaching is softness

Postby Dmitri on Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:16 am

I was semi-sarcastic in my comment... (which BTW was a response specifically to your clip. I still haven't looked at the OP clip)
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Re: the best teaching is softness

Postby yeniseri on Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:10 am

Softness is the end part! The best teaching per my experience is reality meaning hard physical conditioning and mechanics and when one leaves this type and level of training then the 'softening up' of vision, orientation and skill happens. I am sure people have different descriptive based on their individual psyche ;D

Softness itself is not the best teaching. It comes after the hard work is done, well almost ???
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Re: the best teaching is softness

Postby Michael on Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:45 am





♫ One of these clips is not like the other ♫♪

♫♪ One of 'em I like, the other is rubbish ♫♪
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Re: the best teaching is softness

Postby RobP2 on Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:51 am

yeniseri wrote:Softness is the end part! The best teaching per my experience is reality meaning hard physical conditioning and mechanics and when one leaves this type and level of training then the 'softening up' of vision, orientation and skill happens. I am sure people have different descriptive based on their individual psyche ;D

Softness itself is not the best teaching. It comes after the hard work is done, well almost ???


Yep - an integrated approach. But then softness may be the best teaching for certain people and circumstances...like weekend retreats perhaps?

"My instruction in the preCeltic family art began when I left my mothers breast at three months of age..... On my third birthday my mother wept in such a way that my thymus gland, opened by my father, connected with my mother's thymus in such a way that my spiritual life teaching this art had begun."

http://www.preceltictaichi.co.uk/about.php
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Re: the best teaching is softness

Postby Michael on Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:07 am

That page has many interesting passages, most of them belonging in a secret diary.
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Re: the best teaching is softness

Postby windwalker on Thu Apr 14, 2016 12:25 pm

Michael wrote:



♫ One of these clips is not like the other ♫♪

♫♪ One of 'em I like, the other is rubbish ♫♪


considering some of our conversations I would not have expected
you to talk about some one else's work as "rubbish"

They are both the same, showing different things.

Because his teacher did not show it, doesn't mean he didn't teach it
or can't do the same. It only means that there are no clips of him doing so.

At any rate he seems to have trained under some good teachers
has many students some of them here and continues to do "his" work

From 1991 to the present John has spent most his time researching and investigating the new Heartwork – the principles of which have sprung mainly from his Icelandic teacher, though the physical manifestation is still largely Tai Chi.


It might have been interesting to understand and see what the Icelandic teacher taught or who he was.
Kinda pointless now.

carry on

I wont say much more about this,,,

For those talking about softness.

Ask anyone who's trained with Ben Lo, or other teachers who advocate softness
Just to develop the alignments and open the body is the work of many yrs,,,,and much pain.

I don't understand this idea that somehow its easy or something that is done after some "hard" training
what ever this may be.

For most people I've worked with, many coming from other CMA or MA they either cant do it
or find it quite difficult to meet the basic requirements.

The training for softness starts from day one, is quite demanding in its own right.
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